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SICG St Peters - Ground fall


IdratherbeclimbingM9

13-Apr-2012
10:47:01 PM

On 13/04/2012 dalai wrote:
>On 13/04/2012 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>>I agree with the 'bold' bit, but I suspect dalai may be talking about
>>something else?
>
>Trango Belay 8 - the two 8's bottom right in the photo
>

Your pic just proved my suspicion to be correct!


pmonks

14-Apr-2012
6:44:44 AM

On 13/04/2012 Dr Nick wrote:
>Forget the US, Australian gyms have had many incidents with Grigris. I've
>been dropped when someone threaded one backwards

Which is why some of the US gyms (including my local) now have dedicated grigris pre-threaded on every single rope, and they won't let you use your own belay device (at least for top-roping - for leading you use your own gear).

Combined with their habit of double-wrapping the rope around a bollard at the top of each climb to increase friction, this is a huge pain in the ar5e if you're belaying a lightweight (such as kids). I basically have to force feed the rope through the device to get them to come down, and then get yelled at by the staff for improper belay technique!! Fuggin' stoopid seppos!!!!!

>I still think they're fine if used sensibly, but the same is true of basically
>any belay device.

Amen.

Dr Nick

14-Apr-2012
10:06:29 AM

Just tell them you're practising lowering off a second with extreme rope drag.

technogeekery

14-Apr-2012
11:13:56 AM

Did anyone hear anything official on this? I was with Twiggs, and the sound of the guy hitting the deck will stay with me for a while. Am keen to hear how the climber is - as well as to learn what happened. Seems to be belaying issue, but would like to know the facts

dave

14-Apr-2012
7:22:32 PM

On 14/04/2012 technogeekery wrote:
>Did anyone hear anything official on this?

Mike (garbie) is the owner of SICG

On 12/04/2012 garbie wrote:
>He seemed pretty good when he left with the ambos, considering. No obvious
>injuries, although he'll need to be observed to make sure. It was a belaying
>mishap. An atc style of device.

technogeekery

15-Apr-2012
3:01:57 PM

thanks

Blah

22-Apr-2012
9:28:44 AM

Goes to show, it isn't the device thats the problem, but the users. Banning one or other devices merely forces people used to that device to use an unfamiliar device - likely to cause an accident.

Winston Smith

23-Apr-2012
12:03:39 PM

Happy to note that the victim was back climbing at the gym on the Tuesday after the fall on the previous Thursday.

Pok

23-Apr-2012
1:50:55 PM

On 23/04/2012 Winston Smith wrote:
>Happy to note that the victim was back climbing at the gym on the Tuesday
>after the fall on the previous Thursday.

Leading? :)

Mike Bee

23-Apr-2012
4:56:00 PM

On 23/04/2012 Winston Smith wrote:
>Happy to note that the victim was back climbing at the gym on the Tuesday
>after the fall on the previous Thursday.

Same belayer?

rockranga

23-Apr-2012
5:16:10 PM

Good to hear they're back and not injured. Are we able to find out what went wrong? Are there verified details floating around? I know it appears to be belay error but was it due to:
- not paying attention
- using a belay device they were not familiar with
- too much slack in the system
- etc..etc..
'
I think any ground fall (and thankfully in this case a non-fatal one) should be used to learn what went wrong and what could have been done differently. While i'm sure the mistake is nothing ground breaking it's always good to have this sort of stuff in peoples minds so they/we know the consequences of doing things the wrong way. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of us have bad habbits which we would quickly correct if we truely understood the impact of a worst case scenario (ie... as an example i'm trying to get our of the habit of putting my non-brake hand too close to the belay device when someone is leading, while my hand has never been dragged into a device it's come close when someone fell and would have been a lot worse had i been in a slightly different position at the time - result, change habits).

In this case the belayer may or may not have known they were doing something wrong, and i'm sure they had no intention of letting their leader deck, but intentions are worth zip when your equipment gets the better of you because you were using poor technique.

It would be nice to learn what happened here, even if it only saves one person from a ground fall it would be worth it (especially if that ground fall were to happen outdoors onto rock).

Cheers

Winston Smith

23-Apr-2012
5:54:29 PM

Different bealyer. I dunno if he was leading or top roping.

One Day Hero

23-Apr-2012
7:35:58 PM

This sounds like a job for Chockstone SGU, Daung Daunk!

Right, I want full background on the victim and the perp! We need to establish a motive. Was it a chick on belay? Was he trying to get into her pants? Was she totally uninterested because he's a gym-numpty, and she only shags real climbers? What about the "victim"? Any prior record of lawsuits involving falls from a height?

Let's see some results on this one people, we are actually saving lives here by sitting at the computer and talking shit about shit!

One Day Hero

23-Apr-2012
7:41:43 PM

just in case that was too subtle for anyone.....rockranga, your post just ticked every box on my retard checklist, I hope (for your sake) that you're trolling.


Duang Daunk

23-Apr-2012
7:51:12 PM

On 23/04/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>your post just ticked every box on my retard checklist, I hope (for your sake) that you're trolling.

We know your trolling, but that also didn't stop your post causing me to check every box on my retard checklist.

Hang on, this reminds me of a funny.
How do you keep a troll in suspense?

One Day Hero

23-Apr-2012
8:07:02 PM

I dunno Stu, how? C'mon, how? how? I'm really dying to know the answer to this hilarious joke of yours, it's just eating me up inside. Be a sport, will you tell us the punchline?


IdratherbeclimbingM9

23-Apr-2012
8:21:43 PM

On 23/04/2012 Stugang wrote:
>Hang on, this reminds me of a funny.
>How do you keep a troll in suspense?
&
On 23/04/2012 One Day Hero replied:
>I dunno Stu, how? C'mon, how? how? I'm really dying to know the answer
>to this hilarious joke of yours, it's just eating me up inside. Be a sport,
>will you tell us the punchline?

Hmm.
~> It seems to me that Stugang may already have achieved his objective! ;-)
Heh, heh, heh.


rodw

23-Apr-2012
9:06:43 PM

ODH is always angrier on a Monday.


davidn

24-Apr-2012
8:41:36 AM

On 23/04/2012 rodw wrote:
>ODH is always angrier on a Monday.

Do you think on weekends he has no access to a mirror or something?

Or perhaps it's the reality of being a has-been window washer that comes crashing down when the week rolls in again...

That should be enough fuel to keep this thread going for a few more days! (presuming that no one gets a time-out in the meanwhile)

rockranga

24-Apr-2012
9:19:55 AM

ODH - being an arrogant f**ktard as always, good to see, keep it up. One of these days they might give you a medal for your heroic blog slagging.. and if you're really lucky, they may just give you a chest to pin it on!

Why would that be a trolling post? because everyone on Chocky is perfect and are doing everything correctly? No, you're being an arrogant dick, there are climbers out there who seriously have no idea (as i did for the first year or two of climbing) and need things pointed out to them. Sites like chockstone are the place where they can learn from the comfort of their chair how not to kill themselves at the gym or on the crag.

So no, not trolling, just trying to help. But, good to see the bullying mentality on chockstone has returned with vigor after the cleanup a few months ago.

to the moderators - ODH needs to be shot in the face with goat sperm (preferably still warm and fresh), failing that you may want to log his IP and ban him as he's not doing your site any favours.

Oh, and btw, i'll be deleting my account very shortly so don't bother replying with personal insults, i won't get them. DO, however, feel free to slag 'that-crazy-wanting-to-help-guy' to all your 'friends' in the forum for as long as it provides you entertainment.

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