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QUT and affiliates sued for $8m Kangaroo Point 31-May-2017 At 10:49:34 AM Goshen

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I dunno - I think it was great discussion, that just went only a bit too far because of people misreading what each other actually said or meant.

Of course things went onto various tangents, because of the lack of detail on 'how' this accident happened in the first place, so a bunch of assumptions could be made in different ways, and then each of these evaluated and our climbing biases and insecurities projected out.

Many serious accident comes down almost to a combination of many errors (except say, the example of rightarmbad's, above). Climbing has a bunch of checks and balances that avoids accidents very well. A simple miscommunication won't result in an accident unless some other things go wrong.

This thread has brought some of these 'checks and balances' out into the open, and hopefully some people can learn from them... And if I hear people saying safe at anchors when they intend to lower, I'll be calling them on it.