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Kyle Dempster & Scott Adamson Missing on Ogre 2 10-Sep-2016 At 3:31:00 AM trog

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Sad news from Pakistan.

I only know Kyle and Scott from videos and articles - but they seemed to have a handle on risk.
I doubt they expected a rescue, but I'm just a random on the internet, with no real insight about them.

Their families? (http://dirtbagdiaries.com/mothers-hardest/ http://kyledempster.blogspot.ca/2008/11/mothers-have-it-hardest.html )

Who could begrudge their family and friends for organising a rescue? and asking for help?

I think the situation is different for sponsored athletes - and I hope BD, OR etc came to the party with significant contributions. But also people have more exposure to well known climbers (or simply climbers that people hear about having attempted something out of the ordinary). People who have been entertained by their stories or inspired by their line are more likely to reach into their own pockets to help...

I wouldn't expect much of a response for a gofundme as a regular climbing punter like myself, puntering around on fairly trade routes, even if they feel adventurous to me. I can live with that.

As for climbing in the states? Yeah I f'king hate the idea of being sick/injured in the US - even with insurance it seems like a real shtfight. So far so good. And I want to live in countries that have socialised health care at least some degree

PS Love this internet world! Hang sht on people you don't know, about something you didn't read or comprehend properly, in a durable, searchable medium then abandon the conversation.