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phillipivan
18/01/2012
9:18:48 AM
Late last year I manager to really hurt my back doing Yoga. It sucked. Rehabilitation, for me, ended up a mixture of massage and working through a program I found on the Mountain Athlete gym/website designed to strengthen and improve the mobility of the lower back.

Anyway, I have really enjoyed these hard, hard, workouts, and found it quite successful so I plan to keep with some of the other training programs designed by them if possible.

Looking into ways to keep this up in the new year, I found a local (to Melbourne) gym that is willing to consider running them as the group sessions that they are designed to undertaken as. And, importantly, provide coaching for the technical lifting aspects.

So I am writing to see if there is anyone else out there interested who would like to participate in such a thing? Training would take place in North Melbourne, three mornings a week (probably Tues/Thurs/Sat).

Finally before anyone pops up and says that lifting steel plates with a bunch of other men and women is both uncool and homo, and won't help you climb grade 28 trad; let me say (a) that's not important and (b) it won't help you climb gr 28 trad, at least not as much as just climbing more. Neither observation invalidates the activity.

White Trash
18/01/2012
3:21:38 PM
On 18/01/2012 phillipivan wrote:
>Finally before anyone pops up and says that lifting steel plates with
>a bunch of other men and women is both uncool and homo, and won't help
>you climb grade 28 trad; let me say (a) that's not important and (b) it
>won't help you climb gr 28 trad, at least not as much as just climbing
>more. Neither observation invalidates the activity.
>
sounds to me like you have been around chockstone a while, mebe been bitten before and are now gunshy?
wouldnt worry to much as one day lero probably thinks any training that get you back on the rock is a good thing?
bones
18/01/2012
3:44:09 PM
If it's the Mountain Athlete website I'm looking at, you need to be a member to see the climbing training program. Can you give us an indication of what the sessions might include?

phillipivan
18/01/2012
5:17:08 PM
I figure any training that keeps up my fitness and helps stave off further back injuries is a good thing. Lest I end up like old Egosan.

TonyBones: there are a half dozen freely published work outs on the website that should give you an idea. I could send you an except from the lower back program I have been soon if you are interested.
My plan was to start on the basic fitness rather than the specific climbing program, at least for a few months.

Zarb
18/01/2012
8:35:58 PM
On 18/01/2012 bones wrote:
>If it's the Mountain Athlete website I'm looking at, you need to be a member
>to see the climbing training program. Can you give us an indication of
>what the sessions might include?

If I remember correctly they are very Crossfit-esque with a mountaineering flavour.

Zarb
18/01/2012
8:38:56 PM
Ah yes, here is where I read about it:


http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web08x/wfeature-mountain-athlete-training


phillipivan
18/01/2012
8:49:45 PM

>If I remember correctly they are very Crossfit-esque with a mountaineering
>flavour.

Pretty much.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
18/01/2012
9:45:47 PM
On 18/01/2012 phillipivan wrote:
>Late last year I manager to really hurt my back doing Yoga. It sucked.
>Rehabilitation, for me, ended up a mixture of massage and working through
>a program I found on the Mountain Athlete gym/website designed to strengthen
>and improve the mobility of the lower back.
>
How do you find it affects your longer bike rides?
My back is OK, but even so, I find a kidney belt hugely improves how I feel after a long ride...

phillipivan
18/01/2012
11:06:11 PM
Rod, I havent been on a long ride since I started it, but I would expect quite positively.
Certainly my range of motion, strength and stability in my back/core have improved a good deal. That said, I don't plan on leaving my kidney belt behind on my next long ride, they help alot. And getting myself one is the single best piece of advice I have had from you; so thank you.
Dr Nick
19/01/2012
9:50:54 AM
M9, what type of riding and how long is "long"?

If you're getting lower back pain it could be that your bars are too low, so you're pulling yourself forward and down. That loads up your lower back. Offroad you need to be a bit higher because the bounce loads aggravate any stretching.

I know if I've been mainly riding the road and go for a 2+ hour MTB ride I tend to get a sore back, though a couple of shorter rides in the lead up gets those muscles back into some kind of working order. There comes a time when nothing helps though - trying to straighten up after a solo 24 hour is amusing, in a painful way (I "only" did about 17 hours on the bike).
GoUp!
19/01/2012
10:21:41 AM
Then again you could always have a stab at the gym sessions set-up by Mark Twight (aka Dr Doom) at Gym Jones (http://www.gymjones.com/). I need to have a puke and a little lie down nanna-nap just after reading the punishment these guys do.
I think I need to add a tablespoon of cement to my brekky every morning.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
19/01/2012
6:05:51 PM
On 19/01/2012 Dr Nick wrote:
>M9, what type of riding and how long is "long"?
>
Motorcycling, and anything longer than a half day.

>If you're getting lower back pain it could be that your bars are too low,
>so you're pulling yourself forward and down. That loads up your lower back.
>Offroad you need to be a bit higher because the bounce loads aggravate
>any stretching.

Your advice applies to motorcycling as well, though some of my mates with sport bikes reckon just go faster, as the air coming back over the bars helps lift your torso and takes weight off the arms (and lower back?)!
>
>I know if I've been mainly riding the road and go for a 2+ hour MTB ride
>I tend to get a sore back, though a couple of shorter rides in the lead
>up gets those muscles back into some kind of working order. There comes
>a time when nothing helps though - trying to straighten up after a solo
>24 hour is amusing, in a painful way (I "only" did about 17 hours on the
>bike).

You are 'only' a Trojan for punishment! ☺
~> PS, I reckon an all day ride wrestling a 200 kg bike on narrow goat tracks to be the equivalent trojanism!
(Especially if it is loaded up further with camping gear).
;-)

Post edit.
I find the kidney belt so good, that I use it almost all rides longer than a half hour now, and in fact, feel naked without it; ... kind of like wearing boots, jacket, gloves and helmet.
dmnz
20/01/2012
10:15:31 PM
Deadlifting and squatting and presses with good form are some of the best things you can do for your back. IF you have bad form, though, as most do then you'll probably make it worse (your back)

Focus on form and ROM.

Don't get sucked into doing more 'reps' or faster 'reps' as some (not all)Crossfitters do for which they sacrifice form. You're training a particular movement not how many you can do (and have a good spotter who will not count your so called 'reps' when they do not meet form).

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