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Dreamtime Wall rock quality 1-Apr-2018 At 3:12:25 PM One Day Hero

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I'm with Rudi on this one.

As a general rule (there are always exceptions), if someone has bothered to rap into a route with a drill and hammer, I expect them to also make an effort to check for loose rock. If you place a dozen bolts and a loweroff on a 20m wall, and also leave fuching loose housebricks all over the thing, you're a fuching wally!
I don't always hate choss, and I don't always hate sport routes, but can't think of a chossy sport route where I didn't think the route developer was some type of lazy dickhead. In what universe do you need 30kN glue-in rings to make things safe, while 40kg flakes held to the wall with lizard jizz are an acceptable risk?