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Black Range cease bolting request 28-Oct-2017 At 4:41:39 AM Wendy
On 25-Oct-2017 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>On 25-Oct-2017 JimmyS wrote:
>>Most of the recently bolted stuff is filler anyway, place is basically
>>tapped out. An end to it here makes sense I think.
>Fair enough, but it sounds to me like the most recent ‘fillers’ were particularly
>I may well be written off as an old fart trad climber, but it seems to
>me that the new generation of bolters have a lot to answer for, and I very
>much hope that they don’t stupidly stuff up access for the rest of us in
>their zealous endeavours.

I hate to ruin a good old bag out of new generation, gym trained, no idea bumblies, but um, most these routes were actually put up by an older, very experienced climber who I doubt sees the inside of gym much more I than I do. It doesn't take me long to think of people whose actions generally concern me more.

I agree, these routes added nothing to the crag and I found the bolts visually intrusive. Discussing the art sites with them however resulted in some of the routes being removed. See, talking like mature adults, it does actually get people somewhere. If people are concerned about someone's actions, talk to them about them. Gung ho action feeds gung ho reaction and in the end, the environment ends up worse off for it.

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