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Climbing banned Centennial Trev Blue Mtns - NPWS 3-May-2015 At 9:10:04 PM Andy A

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The reality is that national parks would like to put a fence around all national parks and allow acess only to national parks officers,the problem with this is that if people cannot experience these areas for themselves they place no value on wilderness and enventually these areas will be lost to all of us.
There are many legitimate uses for these areas climbing being one of them.,

walkers sometimes tend to believe that walking is the only legitimate use of national parks . walking has had a high impact on the national park far in excess that climbing could ever have.
Have walkers consulted with national parks in the past before they pitch their tents or build their firepits ?,
did walkers of old always consult with national parks before they forged their trails through the pristine wilderness? ,
the well signposted tracks , stone stairs and handrails are there for the benefit of walkers not climbers,

climbers of old scarred the rocks with pitons and damaged trees and caused soil erosion with cliff top tracks but modern sportclimbers place one time only bolts in the route with lower off anchors which prevent clifftop erosion and protect trees from damage,climbers have a vested interest in protecting the cliff for future generations to enjoy,

as I climber with over twenty years of experience can personally say that protection of these areas is important to me as a climber and to other climbers as it is to walkers, I have no intentions of going around pulling down signposts removing handrails and removing walking tracks even though I find them an eyesore because I accept that walking is also a legitimate use of the national parks .

have national parks ever approved bolts in the blue mountains ?,
have they ever approved any new crags before they where opened , does anybody have experience with national parks giving prior approval for climbing or even got a refusal after applying for permission ?,