On 1/11/2012 Dave C wrote:
>Personally, I would seriously think of dragging myself up the road
>to remove any extra bolt that appears on QoE, it's one of only a few routes
>in the You-Yangs with any real character and I would not like it to be
>reduced to an easy sport-route.
Clearly it is not going to be retro'd with gdfonc's attitude and your threats to remove a bolt that doesn't exist add nothing to this discussion.
Having said that none of the arguments in this thread make sense. How can anyone justify the best climb at it's grade in the youies needing to be either stick clipped or require a pad. The fact that Carrigan is stick clipping the climb speaks volumes, the fact that you know more than one person who has hobbled away after falling before the first bolt isn't good enough. The best climb at the grade doesn't need "real character" it has enough going for it. Adding a single bolt wouldn't make it an "easy sport route" it would just mean it could be climbed like all other climbs at the grade at the youies, without a cheat stick or a pad.
Also, I bet the climbs on the other side of the Tor get a lot more leads, not because they are better climbs but because they don't need extra things to climb them safely.