On 19/08/2010 nmonteith wrote:
>On 19/08/2010 psd wrote:
>>Those carrots have been there for quite some time without being vandalised
>>- Lindfield isn't exactly the roughest part of town.
>
>Well someone mentioned vandals further up the thread! :-)
>
>>I probably lack imagination but a hole in the rock big enough to fit
>a
>>ringbolt and biner doesn't sound that subtle ...
>
>To the average non-climbing punter a carrot or a (well recessed) ringbolt
>are the same thing. It's just a bit of metal in the rock. To a climber
>it's the difference between having to remember the bolt plates (and knowing
>how to use them) or slinging a tree.
Neil, with respect, to the normal non-climbing visitor to Lindfield Rocks, a carrot bolt is an object of curiosity (I.e. "what's that for?") whereas a ringbolt has "industrial" connotations. Keep in mind that this is not a National Park, so users do not have the opportunity to question or argue for the "rights" of climbers. Council is answerable ONLY to local ratepayers. Climbers, unless they live in the jurisdiction, don't realistically have a voice should an issue arise about the impacts of climbing at The Rocks.
I concede that if ringbolts were to be installed at Lindfield it would be desirable they be recessed to avoid/minimize the possibility that a punter might trip on one and inadvertently pitch over the cliff and suffer damage as a result. But natural 'depressions' rather than manufactured ones would obviously be preferable.