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Ben Nevis - Shame on you. What a waste of a crag. 11-Aug-2009 At 8:27:36 AM rolsen1

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Again, I haven't climbed at Ben Nevis and I'm not suggesting to retro anything.

On 9/08/2009 Tlockwood wrote:
>i found this article to be quite interesting, with a lot of good thoughts
>on todays cultures of climbing, in terms of people 'sport' climbing on
>trad climbs and vice versa.

I finally got round to reading this and I don't think this article has anything to do with the original post (just like the clouded queen example.) Maybe if these climbing were mid 20s or mid 30s you'd have a point but these climbs are mid teens. No one is rapping down them and claiming head points, when they get climbed it is probably just moderate climbers being a bit more scared than they need to be.

On 10/08/2009 gfdonc wrote:
>On 10/08/2009 Fish Boy wrote:
>>A question of ethics? I took a bouldering pad because I'm a pussy.
>
>Yeah, that's the other example I keep getting asked to defend. I confess,
>these days I rap down it and clip a sling to the first bolt. Still don't
>think it needs another bolt in it though.

Sorry I didn't realise they were your routes but they serve a good example (I was there on Saturday) because the just around the arete are climbs 6 and 8 grades harder, and guess what they have more bolts. The 19 has a single bolt and the 28 a few metres from it has lots (actually I don't know how many bolts it has but they are about 2m apart instead of 5)

The point of the original post was that easy / moderate climbs would be more accessible to everybody if they were bolted the way they would have been if they were 10 grades harder.