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New Grampians bans announced: Taipan, Bundaleer 21-Aug-2020 At 6:57:30 AM Olbert
On 20-Aug-2020 gordoste wrote:
>On 19-Aug-2020 Olbert wrote:
>>On 19-Aug-2020 ajfclark wrote:
>>>> So far, we do not have proof that PV has actually fabricated evidence.
>>>Other than when they took photos of bolts installed yb PV and said it
>>>was climbers?
>I was careful with my words. Fabrication of evidence would mean PV knew
>that what they were saying was wrong before they said it. You are implying
>this without proof.

Gordoste you totally miss the point - lets not bring facts to this!

>>Other than when they blamed climbers for chalking up the unclimbed half
>>of the Sandanista Wall?
>Fortunately this was not in the public forum unlike the bolt one.
>I share your view Olbert. The rank and file are mostly great people, however
>management seem to have decided that locking people out of parks unnecessarily
>is a good way to get attention, so that somebody will fix the regulatory
>system (which is a legitimate problem). I cannot disagree more with this

Realistically, legislation might be forcing their hand. If they don't do "something" then they risk getting significant fines and reputation damage. Their legal advice, which we don't have access to, might be driving them towards the bans and not a more nuanced approach. The whole Grampians trail is essentially a red-herring - it doesn't look good - but legally, they have jumped through the correct hoops.

That said, it doesn't explain the campaign of misinformation from the top. Admittedly, this campaign has been toned down if not completely paused.

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