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Sonnie Trotter Goes Down on Tasmania 20-Feb-2016 At 12:42:02 AM johny

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Well those trad routes may have seen an ascent placing gear. I heard that sonny had done both natural and god placing gear. I climbed mother of god with preplaced and was happy enough with it. mr natural in my opinion is a farce.. I said it straight up to zach that I would be surprised if they lead great shark hunt placing gear and against their stubborn principles they still left the gear in. I reckon Malcolm's ascent is still the best and I have mad respect.

so its kind of funny that in practice there are still these insane climbs like shark hunt that have not had a lead in the style like I am proposing.

But I have to challenge the whole idea it is "anal to the point of insanity" to work a trad route with the notion of placing the gear as a negative thing. Is it anal OCD to climb Punks 40 times to get Punks Addiction? If so I welcome anal obsession. It is a ying that inspires other people to yang on to.

I would say historically Australians have mega bad ass role models for trad climbing. For tights at the very least.Dave you are of course still smashing it as are the usual motley stalwarts in nati and blackheath.

Hey I ask for no justifications just a thoughtfulness for the present. And a nice G & T on occasion.