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Bolted route near the Mt Hay/Butterbox canyon exit 16-Jan-2014 At 9:47:41 PM FatCanyoner

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Thanks for posting this Sam. I'd been caught up and hadn't had the chance. I'm kicking myself for not taking a photo, or looking more closely at the route. As I mentioned in my original email, it follows a crack, and seemed to me (a non-climber) to look like the kind of thing a real climber would enjoy. That said, it didn't strike me as part of a bigger route, simply an alternate exit. I suppose I'm curious more than anything. If it is a simpler exit climb, then why not tell people. If it's harder, then perhaps it's worth warning people (before some hopeless canyoner gets themselves on trouble on it!)

As for the "tat v bolts" debate in canyons, I think some of you guys are doing the wrong canyons. I was recently canyoning at Glen Davis and saw one sling in a couple days of canyoning. There's plenty of good canyons where that's less of an issue. It's the popular, easy, touristy canyons that get that way. It's no surprise many climbers do those ones, given how you guys are notorious for hating a long walk-in! :-P

I have recently been hauling a whole lot of shit out of canyons (fixed ropes / old slings / general rubbish / lost items / even the waist strap from a pack...) so maybe some bolt cutting gear would be a good addition. I'll have to get some lessons from an expert though!