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Chockstone Forum - General Discussion
General Climbing Discussion
||Friday, 10 August 2012 At 12:38:25 AM
|On 9/08/2012 rodw wrote:
>Kuu was talking hypothetical about an 'unknown' crag wasn't he?....
Hypothetically, yes - I just meant that it should be obvious that people are climbing there and if they obviously aren't bolting stuff so maybe they should find out the details, that's all . . .
>Lol like McCarthy he to thought he was right and everyone wrong
Hmm - I do think I am right but that is based on generally accepted pre-established climbing ethics, not just my own.
My own personal beliefs are probably even more bizarre, like that every 'pleasure/spurt climbing' crag should have an obligatory trad route . . .
Or that some bolted climbs should be able to be 'freed' and have the artificial protection (rungs) removed and become 'real free climbs', like freeing any 'aid' . .
Well saying that it only a minor problem simply allows it to continue as it has for quite some time now, so exaggeration helps make the point.
And I certainly do think there are two sides in this debate - hence the us against them bit is valid I think - whether it be sport/trad, pleasure/adventure, bold/fun,etc.
>If you feel so strongly about the bolts..just fukin chop em..
They are certainly going to be chopped - I am just hoping that the person who did the deed will fix it themselves, though that seems unlikely.
There are several people prepared to do the needed work - it is just a matter of who gets there first I guess.
Not necessarily trying to garner support, as I believe the majority of climbers would support the move but are unprepared to vocalise that support
Something has to be done - a line needs to be drawn .
We didn't worry when they retro'd Shipley because there was York ,
And then we didn't worry again when they retro'd parts of York because there was Piddo,
And then we didn't worry enough when they retro'd parts of Piddo cause there was the County,
We really should have worried a lot more when they started retroing The County, ( I could have sworn they said they would leave it alone)
Soon we won't need to worry because it will all be retro-ringed, including the trad-lines, (with the 'you don't have to clip them' illogic)
and there won't be anyone with the ethics, skills or commitment to see climbing any other way then an extension of the indoor experience.
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