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Crag & Route Beta

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Mt Rosea access
WM
26/02/2008
5:46:39 PM
>marked the track ... with yellow tape

plastic tape by the looks? were Parks ok with that? Surely there are biodegradable alternatives?

PS thanks all

JamesMc
26/02/2008
9:35:38 PM
WM,
Yep, we used plastic flagging tape supplied by Parks SO IT LASTS.

The route from the top of the Debutante area to the Golden Staircase is much better marked than it used to be. No longer will Sedgie have to spend a night on top if he tops out at sunset becuase the route out is too hard to follow.

JamesMc
jgoding
27/02/2008
8:10:59 AM
Hey Will,

I think that yellow tape is some new kind of eco friendly stuff. I bought 4 big rolls off PV some time
back, and have been using it around and about.

Thanks to all who came along and helped out. The walk off is now well marked and much easier to find
- a good thing at the end of a long day! Good work James!

Also - I think that John Stone is looking into the bush camping sites and if it will be possible for them
to be made available for Easter (or not) so stay tuned to hear from him about that. I'm not sure what's
involved (maybe another working bee?) but there might be a request to lend a hand to get these ready
to go (or close them off until they are considered ready to go.

I'm very exited that this wonderful cliff will soon be available to the masses. I repeated "Last Rites"
(19***) which was wonderful. The rock seemed to be undamaged, although a few of the trees a long
way up the cliff were badly burnt and unsafe to rap off - so take care if you plan on using any of the
trees to rap off. Probably safer to go to the top instead.

I'll be up there for Easter and look forward to some more news on the bush camping sites as that
would be our first choice of where to stay.

Joe
Access T CliffCare
28/02/2008
8:27:25 AM
On 26/02/2008 nmonteith wrote:

>Do they intend to eventually allow camping at the 'official' bush sites
>the VCC helped build along the road to Bundaleer?
>
Yes Neil, there will be camping at the sites eventually. We are working towards getting some dates for access to them firmed up. Some of the sites haven't regenerated as much as PV would like - we will keep you informed as to our progress.

Tracey

nmonteith
28/02/2008
9:11:56 AM
Bolt chopping working bee is penciled in for Easter Friday.
gfdonc
28/02/2008
10:14:39 AM
On 28/02/2008 nmonteith wrote:
>Bolt chopping working bee is penciled in for Easter Friday.

Huh?

nmonteith
28/02/2008
10:23:13 AM
http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?Action=Display&ForumID=1&MessageID=46072&Replies=1
dalai
28/02/2008
10:38:23 AM
Great work AccessT and all the volunteers.

In response to Neil's latest post...


cruze
19/03/2008
4:39:33 PM
Not sure if I missed something, but has access for this weekend been confirmed? Or is it still a ways off...
Access T CliffCare
19/03/2008
4:55:37 PM
Yes, Rosea will be open for this Easter weekend. Some other facts to note:

5 of the official bush campsites around the Bundaleer and Rosea area will be open. Check the bush campsite thread for map and locations and fire regulations for specific campsites. All other bush campsites in the Victoria Valley are still off limits for now. Nearest formal campgrounds are Borough Huts and Boreang.

Silverband Road will be open but with a change. Road access will be in a one way direction from Rosea carpark down to Silverband Falls Carpark.

Some other re-openings are Sundial Carpark, Sundial Peak, Lakeview Lookouts, Delleys Dell and Dairy Creek.

Have a great Easter break and great climbing....

Cheers,
Tracey
gfdonc
21/09/2009
2:05:09 PM
(bump) just rediscovered this thread after having a vent about an obstruction placed at the top of the descent route. Keen to hear more details.

ajfclark
21/09/2009
2:11:32 PM
There's some detail here and this from the cliffcare website:
CAMPING IN THE GRAMPIANS
BUSH CAMPING IN THE VICTORIA VALLEY

The majority of Bush Camping is currently still off limits in the Victoria Valley. Good news though...There are 5 of the 'official' bush camps that are open around the Bundaleer and Rosea area. They are: Tower Hill Bush Camp and Stony Creek Rosea Track,. These two are in a Conservation Zone so only fuel stove to be used. Rosea Views, Stony Creek Rd Two, and Stony Creek Rd One. These three are in a Recreation Zone so fire is allowed in the fireplace provided. bush camp map

All other bush campsites in the Victoria Valley will remain closed until further notice.

UPDATE TO BUSH CAMP STRATEGY(14/12/08)

Although the Bush Camp Strategy is still a work in progress, the following gives you an idea of how many of the current known bush camps will be closed or modified.

1. Bush camp sites which contravene the guidelines in the current GNP Management Plan
Too close to a designated campground (4 sites)
Too close to a watercourse (5 sites)
Too close to a sealed road (1 site)
Special Protection Zone (2 sites)
Possibly in No Camping Area (2 sites)
2. Modification of bush camp sites which partially contravene the regulations/guidelines in the current GNP Management Plan
Part of site too close to a watercourse (5 sites)
3. Closure of bush camp sites which contravene the set aside once it comes into effect
Bush camp site too close to fire dam (5 sites)
Bush camp site too close to bee site (3 sites)
WM
21/09/2009
3:12:41 PM
On 26/02/2008 Access T wrote:
>Tree on R.I.P. corner is alive and has new growth.

...but would be quite nerve wracking to trust as a sole rap anchor. It clearly got hammered and almost 3 years later the regrowth is still only fairly small branches. Plus the original trunk, which is what you'd wrap the rope around, is only about 20cm diameter. AND there isn't much soil holding it on the ledge - you'd basically be hoping that the roots inside the cracks are wedged in enough.

So we re-located a booty wire to back it up. our sling will fade soon enough - people will need to BYO cord/sling to equalise the wire about 1.5m down to the tree.

The Prescription is great though

nmonteith
21/09/2009
3:25:17 PM
On 21/09/2009 ajfclark wrote:
>Although the Bush Camp Strategy is still a work in progress, the following
>gives you an idea of how many of the current known bush camps will be closed
>or modified.
>
>1. Bush camp sites which contravene the guidelines in the current GNP
>Management Plan
>Too close to a designated campground (4 sites)
>Too close to a watercourse (5 sites)
>Too close to a sealed road (1 site)
>Special Protection Zone (2 sites)
>Possibly in No Camping Area (2 sites)
>2. Modification of bush camp sites which partially contravene the regulations/guidelines
>in the current GNP Management Plan
>Part of site too close to a watercourse (5 sites)
>3. Closure of bush camp sites which contravene the set aside once it comes
>into effect
>Bush camp site too close to fire dam (5 sites)
>Bush camp site too close to bee site (3 sites)

How many bush camps are there in total? The list above seems to imply 25+ sites will be closed - that doesn't leave many left IMHO!
Access T CliffCare
22/09/2009
8:52:48 AM
On 21/09/2009 gfdonc wrote:
>(bump) just rediscovered this thread after having a vent about an obstruction
>placed at the top of the descent route. Keen to hear more details.
>
I shall follow this up. After the initial complaints about our markers being removed and access track hidden I had a meeting with PV where the suggestion of a sign at the top indicating direction towards car park, summit etc(rather than climbers only) was agreed would be the best way forward. This was supposed to have taken place. Obviously not. As Kieran has pointed out, the area is heavily used by walkers and that is one of the main concerns of Parks - that the walkers don't go down the Giant Staircase. But the safety of climbers coming off the cliff also needs to be taken on board. I shall find out whether the sign is still an option or they have had a change of heart.

>On 21/9/09 NMonteith wrote:
On 21/09/2009 ajfclark wrote:
>Although the Bush Camp Strategy is still a work in progress, the following
>gives you an idea of how many of the current known bush camps will be closed
>or modified.
>
>1. Bush camp sites which contravene the guidelines in the current GNP
>Management Plan
>Too close to a designated campground (4 sites)
>Too close to a watercourse (5 sites)
>Too close to a sealed road (1 site)
>Special Protection Zone (2 sites)
>Possibly in No Camping Area (2 sites)
>2. Modification of bush camp sites which partially contravene the regulations/guidelines
>in the current GNP Management Plan
>Part of site too close to a watercourse (5 sites)
>3. Closure of bush camp sites which contravene the set aside once it comes
>into effect
>Bush camp site too close to fire dam (5 sites)
>Bush camp site too close to bee site (3 sites)

>How many bush camps are there in total? The list above seems to imply 25+ sites will be closed - that doesn't leave many left IMHO!

There are hundreds of bush camps although not all of them well known. The ones on the list above are ones that have always contravened the guidelines. It doesn't take long for a camp that is visited a few times to appear well visited and therefore in the eyes of potential campers, ok to camp there. There are a huge amount of campers(and this is not just climbers) that have no idea of the areas that are not acceptable to set up bush camp. As I wrote previously when the bush camp workshops were going on, there are a lot of changes that are and will be taking place in the Grampians with regards to camping - in formal campgrounds as well as bush camping.

Cheers,

Tracey
Wendy
22/09/2009
6:42:55 PM
On 21/09/2009 ajfclark wrote:
>There's some detail here and this from the cliffcare website:
>
CAMPING IN THE GRAMPIANS
>BUSH CAMPING IN THE VICTORIA VALLEY
>
>The majority of Bush Camping is currently still off limits in the Victoria
>Valley. Good news though...There are 5 of the 'official' bush camps that
>are open around the Bundaleer and Rosea area. They are: Tower Hill Bush
>Camp and Stony Creek Rosea Track,. These two are in a Conservation Zone
>so only fuel stove to be used. Rosea Views, Stony Creek Rd Two, and Stony
>Creek Rd One. These three are in a Recreation Zone so fire is allowed in
>the fireplace provided. bush camp map
>
>All other bush campsites in the Victoria Valley will remain closed until
>further notice.
>
>UPDATE TO BUSH CAMP STRATEGY(14/12/08)
>
>Although the Bush Camp Strategy is still a work in progress, the following
>gives you an idea of how many of the current known bush camps will be closed
>or modified.
>
>1. Bush camp sites which contravene the guidelines in the current GNP
>Management Plan
>Too close to a designated campground (4 sites)
>Too close to a watercourse (5 sites)
>Too close to a sealed road (1 site)
>Special Protection Zone (2 sites)
>Possibly in No Camping Area (2 sites)
>2. Modification of bush camp sites which partially contravene the regulations/guidelines
>in the current GNP Management Plan
>Part of site too close to a watercourse (5 sites)
>3. Closure of bush camp sites which contravene the set aside once it comes
>into effect
>Bush camp site too close to fire dam (5 sites)
>Bush camp site too close to bee site (3 sites)



Have you found anything more useful, like a list of sights that are approved of (other than the rosea ones, which are all very good, but they are 5 sites right next to each other and there's a lot of other grampians out there)? Or maybe even a list of the one's they don't want us to use?

nmonteith
22/09/2009
7:20:30 PM
Yere - this is a bit like saying that there are 25 climbs that are banned in the Grampians. We won't tell you which ones they are...

JamesMc
22/09/2009
9:19:04 PM
I remember reading an article somewhere where the head ranger of the Grampians National Park was asked what his favorite walk in the park was, and the answer was Mt Rosea. That was years ago when the track went up the Golden Staircase. While I don't remember the wording in the article, my impression was that the reason the Rosea Tk was the head ranger's favorite walk was because it went up the Golden Staircase. After all, the walk to Mt Rosea is not really outstanding in the context of the Grampians.

Which leads me to the following bit of common sense. The Golden Staircase is the best (non climbing) way to get up or down Mt Rosea. Wouldn't it be better for Parks Vic to make the Golden Staircase safe rather than cut multiple tracks around the back of the mountain and keep trying to hide the top of the Golden Staircase?

I propose that until Parks Vic realise this, whenever they destroy the top of the Golden Staircase track, we should run a working bee to fix it.

JamesMc

mattjr
22/09/2009
9:33:21 PM
On 22/09/2009 JamesMc wrote:

>I propose that until Parks Vic realise this, whenever they destroy the
>top of the Golden Staircase track, we should run a working bee to fix it.
>
>JamesMc

Count me in James
WM
23/09/2009
10:10:38 AM
On 22/09/2009 Wendy wrote:
>Have you found anything more useful, like a list of sights that are approved of

Nooo! I hope this list never gets made or published. the whole beauty of bush camping is getting OFF the beaten track

you just need to follow the guidelines. Eg not near a designated campground, watercourse, sealed road, fire dam or bee site, etc

PS I still have a problem with non-degrading plastic tape markers on trees. All the Rosea tracks are clearly re-established but the tape markers are still there looking like new. I look forward to them littering our bush and clogging up our waterways for many years to come.

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