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Web-o-lette


Sagarmatha

3-Jul-2002
12:23:25 PM

Hi there
anybody knows if it is possible to buy web-o-lettes (webbing to equalise balay anchors) in Australia ?
Cheers


Mike

3-Jul-2002
1:34:06 PM

Curiously I just added a section to Chockstone about cordelette & webelettes. And yes, you can buy them from just about any good climbing shop. I have three and bought them all from Rock Hardware here in Bendigo. One old cordelette made from 7mm accessory cord, one loop webelette from super strong tape, and my favouriate the snake webelette. The snake beats the others hands down. It comes from the Western Australia manufacturer "Vertical", although many other manufacturers offer similar products. It's rated at 15Kn.


Sagarmatha

3-Jul-2002
3:04:05 PM

Thanks Mike.

cragrat

15-Jul-2005
4:01:36 PM

I had some made from Dyneema by Aspiring Enterprises in Christchurch in a couple of different lengths. I
think they now make them for the public.

http://www.aspiring.co.nz/


Rich

15-Jul-2005
4:07:44 PM

On 15/07/2005 cragrat wrote:
>I had some made from Dyneema by Aspiring Enterprises in Christchurch in
>a couple of different lengths. I
>think they now make them for the public.
>
>http://www.aspiring.co.nz/

oohhh naughty

cragrat

15-Jul-2005
4:16:37 PM

Whats naughty about that? I wanted specific lengths - unlike what was available anywhere... so an since I
am involved in the Outdoor Industry in various areas...

climbingjac

15-Jul-2005
4:38:14 PM

If you go for cordolette, go for 7mm as Mike suggests. Get 9 or 10 metres and you will be spared from frustrations of never having enough length.


Robb

15-Jul-2005
5:39:54 PM

can we get that at Rock hardware or somewhere else??? niggle niggle


IdratherbeclimbingM9

16-Jul-2005
11:14:55 AM

On 15/07/2005 beefy wrote:
>can we get that at Rock hardware or somewhere else??? niggle niggle
I'll sponsor that remark!!

I use spectra cord as cordalette material. Its lighter to carry, less bulky, but more expensive ...
I second climbingjac's comment re get 10m (or longer!), as its a bummer when what you have is too short for the application.
... & I guess cragrat is the same re;
>I wanted specific lengths
I cannot imagine he wanted shorter than what is available commercially!

cragrat

16-Jul-2005
12:12:57 PM

Yup, I got one about 6 -6.5m (can't remember exactly) and something around 4.5m. I have some spectra
cord in the
10m- 12m bracket.


rhinckle

16-Jul-2005
3:20:57 PM

agree with jac,
10m good.
in the real world 6m is often too short.
even better if it's 8mm.
then if you really have to you can extend your lead rope with it too.

cragrat

16-Jul-2005
5:06:47 PM

I generally find 10m is too long myself but I never use it as a closed loop. 8mm is too big bulky and
heavy. 7mm max if using nylon type cord. Happy with dyneema tape and spectra 5.5mm cord options.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

17-Jul-2005
11:01:13 AM

On 16/07/2005 cragrat wrote:
>I generally find 10m is too long myself but I never use it as a closed
>loop.(snip)
Therein lies the difference; ... as I use it as a closed loop and for spread out trad anchors 10m is a touch short I reckon.


rhinckle

17-Jul-2005
3:45:48 PM

i don't use it as a loop and often find 10m barely adequate.
personally i'd rather carry a few extra grams/kilograms.
otherwise i'll solo.


adski

19-Jul-2005
12:09:39 PM

Forgive me and my ignorance, but isn't a web-o-lette made of webbing, and a cordelette made of cord? Web-o-lettes are single thickness with tacked loops on the end, and cordelettes are loops tied with a fishermans knot.

I found a ~6m webolette as part of a 4 piece retreat anchor on Rosea, it's great. But if I had to pay for it, I'd just use long slings..

climbingjac

19-Jul-2005
12:30:15 PM

I use cordolette. A 10m length tied into a loop.

gfdonc

19-Jul-2005
12:34:29 PM

I use 8mm cord, but sometimes wonder if it is overkill. I have access to a spool of 7mm (aren't I lucky) so thinking of downgrading to save weight. Opinions?

I have also read comparisons about breaking strains of various cord/webolette materials, came to the conclusion that nylon cord is the way to go. The more exotic materials are stronger in absolute terms, but the playing field is levelled when you knot them then leans in favour of nylon when you apply real-world criteria like flexing and impact loads. Have a read of http://www.amga.com/ComparativeStrengthTest.pdf

- Steve

Ronny

19-Jul-2005
12:46:35 PM

although i don't really like using cordalettes or webolettes, my one observation is that it appears fairly silly to tie a cord into a long continuous loop. When i used one I tied small loops in each end, and then if the gear was closer together you just clip the loops together, or both into one piece of gear and it was exactly the same. then you still have the option to use it as a single loop if need be.
Also, this means you generally use less cord, so dont' have to carry as much bulk, which is what puts me off the things.(that and the fact that i left mine behind hanging in a tree in the Gums after using it for a hammock, and havn't seen it since)
James

gfdonc

19-Jul-2005
2:36:30 PM

On 19/07/2005 Ronny wrote:
>although i don't really like using cordalettes or webolettes, my one observation
>is that it appears fairly silly to tie a cord into a long continuous loop.

Fair suggestion, but bear in mind this brings the breaking strain of the single strand down to perhaps 9kN (approx 13kN less 20%-30% loss due to the knot) which might not be enough if it takes the full force of a fall.

- Steve

Ronny

19-Jul-2005
3:38:12 PM

oh yeah, fair point.

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