Interview: Chris Dewhirst
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1st Jan 2004
Intro: Chris Dewhirst was at the forefront of climbing in Australia
during the late 1960's to early 70's. He put up many hundred first ascents
some of which are now recognised as classics such as Manic Depressive
(15M3, now 25) in the Grampians, Skink (16M1 now 17) and Werewolf
(possibly the first grade 20 in Victoria) at Arapiles, the pen-ultimate
Victorian aid routes Ozymandias (M4 now 29) & Lord Gumtree (22 M6) at Mt
Buffalo and the impressive Conquistador (20) on the East Face of
Frenchman's Cap in South West Tasmania. Visiting the US he became the
first Australian to conquer the 5.11 grade and is acknowledged as having
bestowed chalk upon Australian climbing. Chris has been an actor in films,
including an award winner entitled 'Just Another Climb' depicting a
mountaineering tragedy. He's run "Adventure Travel" a market leading
business specialising in Himalayan trekking holidays and other pursuits.
However for a number of years his career and interests have revolved
around ballooning. He holds the Australian high altitude balloon flight
record of 36,600 feet and led a combined British and Australian expedition
on the first successful balloon overflight of Mt Everest. His business "Balloon Sunrise",
which will take you, by Balloon, over Melbourne, Nepal or even Everest
|*** Ozymandias (M4
||280m the penultimate
Victorian "Big Wall"
||Gorge North, Mt
|* Lord Gumtree (22
||Gorge North, Mt
|** Werewolf (19/20)
||Possibly the first
grade 20 in Victoria
|** Mantle (14)
||Climbed in walking
boots with cheap ropes
|** Deathrow (18)
|*** Quo Vadis (Aid
||Awesome route on the
|** Checkmate (17)
||Great face climbing
on arête left of Bard
|** The Golden Fleece
(Aid now 18)
|*** A Taste Of Honey
(Aid now 21)
|*** Skink (16M1 now
|** Manic Depressive
(15M3 now 25)
||Now a very popular
|** Conquistador (20)
||Frenchman's Cap, Tas.
Q: Let's start at the
start. 1965. Climbing entered your life and was to remain a big part of it
for a number of years. What spawned this interest? Can you remember your
In 1964 I was in year 10 at high
school and my best friend was John Moore (still a close friend, living in
Melbourne and now making independent films - usually of a documentary and
historical nature). John was very innovative and adventurous - more than
me. I was an ardent follower of Johns ideas and easily led astray. We
became interested in falcons and collected a few, including some peregrine
falcons obtained by robbing a nest at Kinglake National Park. This
involved extremely dangerous manoeuvres dangling from the end of a coir
rope and swinging into the nests. Another schoolboy friend was also
involved - Phillip Stranger and the three of us collected goshawks (from
Hanging Rock), Kestrels (from the Organ Pipes) and Peregrines from
Kinglake. Phil was terribly injured a couple of years later on Mt
Wellington above Hobart.
Our main interests were falcons,
bull fighting and later in that year rock climbing. We were very confident
that we were the only falconers, bullfighters and climbers living in
Australia. Our information was obtained by reading books borrowed from the
Melbourne library. The most formative climbing books were ‘Conquistadors
of the Useless’ by Lionel Terray (by incredible chance I met Terray’s son
one day while I was sitting behind a desk at ‘Adventure Travel’ in Sydney.
A man walked into the office selling ‘T’ shirts embossed with logo’s. It
was extraordinary that this young man was the same person held aloft by
his father shown in a photograph in Terray’s book - a most remarkable
chance!). The White Spider by Harrer, a book by Gaston Rebufet (?), Nanga
Parbat pilgrimage by Herman Bull and other European climbing books were
We learned to abseil (incorrectly) by using pictures from Gaston Rebufet’s
The Melbourne library was attached to the museum and one day while
trawling through the museum we noticed a picture of the Organ Pipes at
Jackson's Creek. We decided to find the Organ Pipes and walked the length
of Jackson's Creek over three days until we discovered them. My first back
pack was a plastic rubbish bin that I roped up with back straps. Ugly but
efficient. John and I made our packs, tents and sleeping bags - we were 15
at the time. We climbed extensively on the Organ Pipes and went back a
number of times. We were getting ready to climb the north face of the
Early on we cut down much of the bush that grew out of the Pipes. We spent
a lot of time cleaning the cliff to make the climbing more aesthetic.
Although on one occasion we attempted to push a lose boulder from the top
of the cliff to find a whole 20 metre high column collapsing! Preservation
of the environment was not a high priority in the 60’s. Although a little
later the fight for Lake Pedder changed my thinking.
To do our climbing we purchased a 250 ft coil of 9mm laid nylon rope from
a ships chandler and this became our climbing rope. We manufactured our
own pitons from angle iron. We used hacksaws and a steel lathe. Our
‘piton’ hammers were purchased from the hardware store and our carabiners
were made the same way and later purchased from a ships chandler.
We had been climbing a year on the Organ Pipes, Cape Woolomi, Hanging Rock
and various other places that we could walk or hitch to before
encountering other climbers. We bumped into Chris Baxter, Bob Bull, Peter
Jackson, Mike Stone and Reg Williams on a very memorable day at Hanging
Rock. I do not know who was more surprised.
Q: Dare I ask about the gear you climbed
with back then? I'm assuming we can forget cams, modern belay devices, and
high performance sticky rubber shoes.
In the 1960’s there were three types of protection: Don’t fall off was the
first type. The second type was don’t fall off but involved looping slings
over rock projections in case you did and the third type was pitons. One
day in 1965 or 66 Bob Bull arrived at Arapiles with an engineering nut -
drilled out - and threaded onto a sling. This was the first artificial
chock I had seen. I remember Bob Craddock (at the time Craddock was
president of the VCC) saying that it would not change climbing. Within 12
months climbing grades went from 14 to 19 and the number of new routes
began to grow almost exponentially. Climbing became much safer. After
seeing Bob Bull’s new chock John and I went home and drilled out dozens of
nuts of varying diameter. I took a long fall from a new route on Tiger
Wall when a hold came off and a tiny little nut took the fall. I can’t
remember the name of the climb but I can clearly remember the route in
good detail. And I am sure the nut is still in place slowly rusting away.
We understood the need to belay properly by tying off to multiple points
but we did not have friction belay devices. John Moore held a very big
fall that day on primitive equipment and his belay was sound. In those
days we tied directly onto the end of the rope.
The quality of protection and the quantity of protection evolved with the
difficulty of the climbs. I started climbing in Dunlop volleys and later
ordered a (fairly large) pair of climbing shoes from somewhere in
Europe. They were psychologically better than the volleys but probably
more dangerous. They quickly became known as the ‘boats’.
We also experimented with making our own shoes by gluing tyre rubber onto
running shoes. It wasn’t until I had been climbing for more than two years
before I obtained a set of friction boots.
Q: What was the style of climbing like
in the early 70's? I'm imagining bold run outs and a total absence of
No, I do not remember it like that. There were the occasional ‘bold’ run
outs - and I remember a few on Frenchman’s Cap. By and large we made every
effort to protect our climbs. This involved bolts when nothing else
worked. Although there were not many climbers about. In the 60’s perhaps
10 climbers on a busy weekend at Arapiles. In the early 70’s this had
grown to 40 or 50 climbers on a very busy weekend.
We were focused on ‘secret’ new routes and intense competition between
friends to be first up a new climb. This sometimes led to using a point of
aid when it really wasn’t necessary. There was a tendency to bring the
climb down to the climber’s level rather than improve one’s skill to make
the climb without aid. I was guilty of that.
Q: What about the ethic of the day. Was
sieging routes into submission considered acceptable? What about top rope
I can only remember being involved in one ‘sieged’ route and that was at
Mt Buffalo on Fuherur. This climb was a shambles because the group was so
inexperienced. Perhaps seiged is the wrong word. We needed three nights
out to climb 400 feet! Later I went back and soloed the climb in a day. I
do not think that seiging was a big part of the times. Although there were
a number of climbs that remained unclimbed classics for a long time -
Usually there were six or more attempts before a ‘hard’ climb was done.
Blimp (20) was an example of this. Blimp is a very nice looking corner at
Bundaleer. It was first attempted by Peter Jackson and Bob Bull. Peter
declared it the last great problem of the 20th century. I had at least two
shots at it before eventually Bruno Zielke led the climb cleanly and I
followed him up. It was two years from being identified to being climbed.
Chris Dewhirst approaching the second belay on the 1st ascent of
Ozymandias, Mt Buffalo, 1969. Photo By Chris Baxter.
With Ozymandias and Lord Gum Tree we just did them cleanly with one night
out on the face. At the time they were relatively long aid routes but done
without much fuss - except Chris Baxter gave his film of Ozymandias to the
Sun Herald and we got our 15 minutes of fame.
I am trying to remember if I looked at many routes from a top rope. A few
perhaps but it did not seem unethical at the time to inspect a climb.
Although it was unethical to place protection from a top rope.
For example, I never considered climbing Blimp with a top rope then going
back and leading it - so I suppose there was an ethic in place against
doing it that way.
The ethic of the day was to do as many new routes as possible on a weekend
- preferably without aid and there was no time for top roping first.
Quantity of ascents over quality of the ascent was more the momentum of
the day - although we always had a good eye for a quality route.
Q: Overseas climbing trips are taken by
many current climbers, but then overseas travel is a big part of modern
society. Society was different in the 1970's, with the public in general
less likely to travel overseas. In the 1970's, you travelled to the USA on
a climbing trip. Why did you go, and what did you learn? Was there much
difference in standard between US and Australian climbing at that time?
In 1974 I visited the US and Europe on a climbing year out. It was the
first time that I fully concentrated on climbing and I lived in Yosemite
for 3 or 4 months. I arrived at ‘Camp 4’ and set up a permanent spot and
then walked up to one of the small outcrops to check out the scene. I knew
no one at all and I had no particular ‘personna’. An American (Rob Frick)
had just led a 5.9 crack and his second could not get up. Later on I
climbed the Salathe with Rob.
On the day I met Rob he thought I was just an Australian visitor who could
possibly be used to follow and clean the pitch. I thought the climb looked
fairly easy and I definitely wanted to make sure that I made it look easy
because there were at least a dozen local climbers looking on. I climbed
it fast and I know at the time I made it look easy but in fact it was
desperately hard! In my mind it was a solid grade 20 (when 20 was hard!!)
but I told everyone standing around that it was about grade 15 in
Australia. In fact the best of the Americans were climbing at grade 24 and
25 (5.11) when I was climbing at 20/21.
This was my introduction to climbing in Yosemite and it was a great time
in my life. I think one of my most difficult climbs was on Middle
Cathedral. It involved a series of 5.10 moves on a 50 ft run out. I
climbed the Salathe and the Nose on El cap with two nights out on each
climb and both in bad weather. It took two attempts to get up the Nose and
I made a desperate retreat from well above the pendulum in a terrible snow
storm. It seems extraordinary to me that these two routes have been done
(together) in a day and without aid. The level of skill and speed and
understanding of one’s own abilities in today’s climbing world has moved
outside my imagination.
The skill levels in the US in 1974 were beyond what we had developed in
Australia. However I was able to take my own skill from grade 20 to grade
24 in three months of exposure to US climbers while I was in the US.
Q: You are reported to have been the
first Victorian (Australian?) climber to use chalk for climbing. Where did
the inspiration for this come from?
Chalk was common in the US and was used on the East Coast of the States
more than in Yosemite. It was very useful and I took to it immediately. A
drop of moisture on the finger tips can make a big difference and chalk
took it out.
Q: Did you expect / experience any
backlash for your use of chalk?
To be honest it is hard to remember what reaction people had to chalk in
Australia. I knew it made a difference at the level people were climbing
at in the States and in the UK. I think it was adopted in Australia
without much controversy. Obviously I didn’t invent chalk and I think it
is irrelevant who brought it to Australia - it was going to happen sooner
or later. I think it is a necessary climbing aid - like friction shoes
with the right quality rubber. Although it leaves its mark and shows the
way on a hard climb.
Q: I understand that the first
ascent of the famous Ozymandias (14M5), completed in 1969 by yourself and
Chris Baxter, was immortalised on the front page of the Sun newspaper, and
in that famous climbing magazine!? The Australian Women's Weekly. Is this
true, and did you become somewhat of a celebrity as a result?
Only in my own mind. In fact it caused a problem at work because I had not
realised that photographs had appeared in the press and I was on the climb
on a working Monday and called in ‘sick’ - only to find my ugly face on
the front of the newspaper. I was caught out very badly.
Chris Dewhirst approaching the forth belay on the 1st ascent of Ozymandias,
Mt Buffalo, 1969. Photo By Chris Baxter.
Q: Do you have any enduring memories of
the first ascent of Ozy? I understand there may have been a bit of
subterfuge involved in the organisation of the ascent, particularly
involving the Gledhill brothers who may also have been interested in the
line. Care to cast any light on this?
It was a long time ago. I can only remember the climbs that I would have
liked to have done first and had ‘stolen’ from me. This includes the Rack
at Arapiles, De Gaul’s Nose on Frenchman's Cap, the Blade on Federation
Peak, Orpheus at Arapiles (we did Checkmate to make up). I cannot remember
the Gledhills being interested in Ozy. In fact we did Lord Gumtree quite a
while after Ozy and in my mind Lord Gumtree was the most obvious route on
the north wall of Buffalo.
Q: Your first ascent of Lord Gumtree
(M6) on the north wall of the Gorge at Mt Buffalo in 1971 would rank up
there as one of the best feats of aid climbing in Australia. Is that a
route you look back on with particular pride?
I really liked the style we did it in. It had a really good feeling and I
enjoyed every minute of the climb - even the fall when a skyhook peeled
was fun. The line of bolts creating the two tier hammocks position was
fantastic. Pete and I slept well and we handed food and drink up and down
the bivvy. Lord Gumtree is nothing compared to the big granite faces in
Pakistan, Yosemite, Baffin Island, Norway. Just a small step in Victorian
climbing and I believe it has been climbed free and in a couple of hours!
Q: In an article in Rock magazine (issue
25), Queenslander Rick White hints at a bitter rivalry between Victorian
and interstate climbers in the late 60's / early 70's. In particular he
seems to point the finger at yourself and Chris Baxter. Do you feel that
there was a rivalry, and if so what was its basis?
I think ‘bitter’ is a little over the top. I remember feeling that Rick’s
hard routes on Frog Buttress could not be as hard as some of my routes of
the same grade - in fact they were as hard or harder! There was definitely
an edge to the rivalry and at the time I am sure there was no better
climber of cracks than Rick. I didn’t want to believe it. Probably well
deserved envy from my side.
Q: Was there a sense of resentment
towards interstate climbers who climbed routes considered to be "last
great problems" (eg John Ewbanks ascent of The Rack (18) at Araplies, and
Joe Friend and Ian Lewis ascent of Blimp (20) at Bundaleer)?
John Ewbank was god and it seemed natural that any climb I had attempted
and failed on would be climbed by Ewbank if he turned his attention to it.
I liked Joe Friend and I cannot remember meeting Ian Lewis but I think
that Blimp was first climbed by Bruno Zielke - perhaps you could research
that for me.
I teamed up with Ewbank on new routes at Frenchman's Cap and on the Organ
Pipes on Mt Wellington. John Moore and John Ewbank were very close friends
for some time so I cannot remember anything but great respect for Ewbank -
in fact awe is probably the better word.
Q: Gerontian (17) at Bundaleer was
climbed by yourself and Peter Jackson in 1965. By today's standards (with
modern protection) this is not a difficult route, nor are some other routes you
put up, such as Werewolf (20) and Death Row (18) at Araplies. However, at the time
you climbed them, they were at the cutting edge of free climbing. Could
you give an indication of the style in which you climbed these routes, in
particular what climbing equipment would have you had on your rack?
I am sorry to say that I cannot remember Werewolf at all - although I am
sure that if I stood below it I would remember every detail. The climb and
the name of the climb have separated in my mind. I remember Death Row very
well and I climbed it pretty well straight up with Phil Stranger cleaning
and following. At grade 20 the climbing was not really very difficult by
today’s standards so if I was in a good mood then I would climb these
things straight up. We were doing boulder problems at grade 25. I would
carry 6 drilled out engineering nuts and maybe 6 pitons and a hammer on
Q: Judging by the volume of new routes
you completed, you obviously had a great passion for climbing. You were
also at the top level of the sport. Yet in the mid 1970's you seemingly
walked away. Why?
I also had a great passion for kayaking and in 1975 I was deeply involved
in teaching. I was operating a parallel existence to climbing and although
I still climbed right through the 70’s I had switched intensity to
kayaking. I started a secondary school in Victoria in 1972 (Sydney Road
Community School) and I worked in this school through to 1979 (except for
a climbing year out in 1974). During this period I started a number of
students climbing but it was much easier to run groups of 10 students with
kayaks than to take 10 students climbing. As an adrenaline substitute
kayaking took over. I also became slightly less self centred and became
more interested in the lives of my students than in pushing climbing
routes. My interests expanded into totally different areas and I no longer
needed climbing in the same way. I remember a winter flood trip kayaking
down the Mitta Mitta river (before the dam) as fondly as I remember Lord
Q: Did you stop climbing "cold turkey"
or have you made the occasional foray onto the rock since? If yes, how is
Suffice to say that Chris Baxter would no longer need a tight rope from
me! I would love to go climbing again but I have not touched rock for
perhaps 15 years. I keep promising myself (and John Moore) that we should
hit the rock again.
Q: You must have had your share of
epics. Do you have a favourite "there I was" story?
Countless epics. The first serious epic was with John Moore on Federation
Peak when we were 17. We were retreating from somewhere above the blade
ridge and attempted a blind abseil, hoping that the ropes would reach a
stance after we flung them into the abyss. John threaded a sling around a
chockstone and started the abseil. He went down 15 metres until he could
see the ropes dangling free and the ends at least 50 metres above any
stance and 10 metres clear of the cliff - a very bad abseil. He climbed
back up the rope and just as he reached my sitting position the abseil
rope pulled through the chock. The moment still haunts me today. That was
in 1966. My last climbing epic was another retreat from the Nose on El Cap
- 12 hours in a terrible snowstorm and 50 knot winds. We only just
survived. I have been avalanched and dug out and on one memorial kayak
trip I was trapped upside down across a tree and only survived because the
Kayak broke up around me and I popped out among the debris. My balloon
flight over Mt Everest involved an horrific landing at speed among giant
boulders. There was not much left of the gear.
Chris Dewhirst approaching the forth belay on the 1st ascent of Ozymandias,
Mt Buffalo, 1969. Photo By Chris Baxter.
Q: You must also have met, and climbed
with, an interesting array of characters over the years. Can you tell us
about those that stand out as wildly successful climbers, or perhaps
wildly scary or amusing?
One day in 1975 Chris Baxter called me and asked if I would look after a
climber from the US for a weekend at Arapiles. I agreed and found out
later that it was to be ‘hot’ Henry Barber. That weekend I held the rope
for Henry while he not only climbed every hard route at Arapiles he put up
a few new ones harder than anything I could dream of doing. I think he
used about three bits of protection over the entire weekend. Even though I
was fairly fresh from the US and the UK I recognised his skill as
extraordinary (for the times). In great trepidation I met up with Henry in
Telluride (Colorado) a few years later. He was most apologetic that he
couldn’t take me out to a few of his favourite crags because his leg was
broken! A fairly levelling handicap I thought at the time - feeling
I met Roland Pauligk when I was about 19 or 20. Roland came on a VCC
climbing course and brought his tree climbing spikes. The first time I
watched Roland climb was a tree at the Mt Rosea camp site. With his strap
on spikes he reached the top of a 50 metre tree in about 30 seconds.
Awesome. Roland escaped East Germany in dramatic circumstances during the
height of the cold war. Roland has an amazing story to tell.
I first met Ian Ross when I was about 18 (later I climbed the East Face of
Frenchman's Cap with Ian and Dave Neilson). Ian had grown up and done some
climbing in the UK and was my age. Within a few days of arriving in
Melbourne he hitched to Mt Arapiles, asked what was the hardest climb at
Araps (at the time it was the Fang first climbed by Peter Jackson and
graded HVS) and then Ian soloed it.
This always stuck with me as very impressive and I tried to do the same on
a crag in the UK. I borrowed Ian’s car and toured some of the gritstone
crags with Ian Talbot and a couple of other likely lads in 1974. On one
crag I asked a group of poms which was the hardest climb and they pointed
out a climb put up by Joe Brown (Emerald Crack) and using a couple of bits
of aid. I announced that I would do it free. After an hour of attempting
this awful climb there were about 100 poms gathered around watching me. In
the end I couldn’t even do it with two bits of aid and I gathered my gear
to leave when one of the climbers asked me my name. To my everlasting
shame I said my name was Chris Baxter, jumped in Ian’s car and headed for
the nearest airport. When times were tough Chris Baxter was always there.
Q: I'd be interested to hear about the
shooting of "Just Another Climb', a drama-documentary shot on location in
New Zealand, reconstructing a mountaineering tragedy. You played a lead
role. Had you much mountaineering experience at that point? How closely
did the film mange to depict the real conditions?
Alan Gledhill died retreating in a storm, trapped on an abseil unable to
recover by climbing back up the rope. Geoff had two terrible nights wedged
in a crevice waiting for the storm to clear before he could continue the
At the time Geoff Gledhill was satisfied with the result of the
documentary. Obviously neither Chris Baxter or myself were actors - and at
that level it was fairly ordinary.
It was impossible to convey what it really must have been like for Geoff
and Alan. Neither Chris or myself had spent much time on ice, but the
climb Alan died on was mostly rock. I think filming techniques today could
produce a much more compelling result.
Q: Lets talk about Ballooning, because
obviously this passion has long since eclipsed your earlier interest in
climbing. Can you briefly describe what got you started and ultimately
lead to a successful business (Balloon Sunrise), and such amazing feats as
flying over Mt Everest?
In 1980 I set up a business with Gerry Virtue based in Sydney. It was in
competition with Australian Himalayan Expeditions and Peregrine. The
competition was very fierce and eventually Peregrine bought us out. I
retained the ballooning part of the business and at one stage I had 9
pilots working various parts of the country.
At the time I started ballooning I shared a house in Balmain with John
Tann. John built his own balloon and partly because aviation was in my
blood and partly because of the serendipity nature of ballooning and my
friendship with John I became involved.
Ballooning was a much more practical way of making a living and having
fun. Eventually I sold up the remnants of Balloon Sunrise and in 1988 I
specialised in commercial balloon operations over Melbourne. This was the
most profitable part of the business and the most difficult. As a
passenger carrying business it is the ‘grade 33’ of all commercial
operations anywhere in the world. Only about one in 50 commercial balloon
pilots is up to the task on a daily basis.
Balloons do not have steering wheels and the only way to direct a balloon
is to vary the height of the balloon to take advantage of variations in
wind direction. City flying is very technical and very political. The
balloon has to be steered to a particular football oval over a distance of
(sometimes) 30 km with no rudder. And there are no fallbacks and you have
a dozen passengers on board. The experience is very intense for the pilot.
My interest in climbing and in ballooning merged in a flight over the
summit of Everest. I could see the footseps of Ed Hilary leading from the
Hilary step to the summit.
I sold the business last May and I am currently living on the north coast
of NSW with my wife and a 2 year old.
Q: Okay, generic question time, what's
your favourite crag in Victoria, and all time favourite climb?
My favourite crag (in order) is Mt Rosea, Araps, Bundaleer and Mt Buffalo.
My all time favourite climb is the East Face of Frenchman's Cap.
Q: Do you have a climbing hero/heroine?
John Ewbank and Chris Baxter.
Q: So what does your future hold?
Working on a few ballooning expeditions and being a dad! (and loving it).
In the words of one famous Ausrtralian climber ...’Straight to
- Details about Chris on his Ballooning website.
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