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*** Objection Sustained By Hywel Rowlands  18/08/2014
Objection Sustained   
David Focken hand jamming his way up the excellent Objection Sustained (18) at Black Ians, Vic.

Hooray, a pic from Vic at last! - gfdonc

Good photo that tells a story about the effort involved in face-climbing a crack! I'd have given another half a star if the closest runner was out of frame, i.e. being a greater runout than that pictured... ... though it's great to not see any bolts(!), heh, heh, heh. Great composition. I like the proportional balance in the photo (⅓ - ⅔ strong visual anchors), between subject climber on rock, and background, and there is just enough sky/horizon to add further dimension/balance in that respect for my taste... The roofline below climbers left foot draws the eye, as do the aretes. I also like it that the subject climber is close enough to see a bit of facial expression, clearly stands out from the rock due the bright shirt, and that the picture-depth-perspective is added too by his close proximity yet is still roughly proportional i.e. a quarter of the view as a whole, and this enhanced with the climber looming large in the foreground. - IdratherbeclimbingM9

Nice enough shot. M9 - how come you haven't mentioned the belayer? your standards are slipping!!! - Big G

@ Big G "M9 - how come you haven't mentioned the belayer? your standards are slipping!!!" I thought about that before posting my comment, and decided that not seeing a belayer was better than seeing a belayer cut in half! ... ~> so I ignored it due out of sight is good enough to be out of comment, heh, heh, heh. ;-) The depth perspective would have been enhanced with a belayer visible, but I think detrimentally at the cost of distance-perspective and character-intrigue that is evident in this photograph. It would have been hard to achieve without using a wider angle lense, and still retain the strong points this photograph has, but if sucessfully done would have got another star in my rating for it. - IdratherbeclimbingM9

Catching the sun inbetween the showers. That was a good winters day out. - BenHev

Thanks for the tips on the shot. It was taken using a Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 compact. It has a LEICA wide angle lens that has a remarkably low level of distortion for a compact. Relatively cheap camera in the scheme of things ($300 second hand) and very easy to carry when climbing. - Howsie

M9 sees a rack and dishes out the stars. Are you serious? You cant even see the route, belayer, exposure or landscape. I'm sorry but this is completely uninspiring to me. - kp

@ kp "M9 sees a rack and dishes out the stars. Are you serious? You cant even see the route, belayer, exposure or landscape. I'm sorry but this is completely uninspiring to me. Serious yes, but not due seeing a rack. This photo is technically better than the previous Bulahdelah one, which I assume prompts your comment above. I make my star allocation on photographic technical considerations first and foremostly, and as a climber/emotion-response a long-distant secondarily. If you doubt this, then take the time to review my comments on all the previous photos that have been presented in Photo Gallery. I agree that you can't see the route or belayer, and this is why it didn't warrant more stars from me. When I just reviewed a sample of my previous comments, it would appear that I am generally a 'harsh marker' when it comes to handing out stars, though some of my higher star allocations were for bolted routes. My comments about bolts are mostly tongue in cheek, however it seems that this may have trolled you? If so then if I recall correctly; someone that used to have a white rabbit as an avatar once wrote on Chockstone; "It is the internet after all". Heh, heh, heh. - IdratherbeclimbingM9

I like it, cos it makes me want and go and do the route, even though it has nothing on stugang's route at The Hole. I doubt the jamming on this route is as good as the jamming at the Lion Hotel at Arkaba, ay stuie? - gnaguts

i think more people relate to the climbing in this one than the hard sport routes that apear here. looks like it was a fun day out and climber is more smiling than grimacing. - white trash

Looking good Dave, CYA on Ben Lomond in January. - Dennis

I'm with Kent, it doesn't show the route at all,how is one to get inspired by that? I know the route, and it is a great looking line and he's actually just pulled the overhang near the top but you have no idea of that from the photo. Still there should probably be some credit given for catch the approximately 3 minutes of tshirt weather in Victarcitica this winter. - Wendy

@ Wendy "I'm with Kent, it doesn't show the route at all,how is one to get inspired by that? I know the route, and it is a great looking line and he's actually just pulled the overhang near the top but you have no idea of that from the photo. Still there should probably be some credit given for catch the approximately 3 minutes of tshirt weather in Victarcitica this winter." Most people who might view this photo probably have no such intimate knowledge of the route and only judge it by what they see in the pic. You also get inspired by such great looking lines as offwidths, and most climbers avoid them when they find them, but may like seeing someone else mastering one in a photo should one ever get published here? Five star photo, simply for dragging a couple of seldom commenters who are heavily into bolts and offwidths to the comments bbq. I'm inspired by this lovely winter roasting weather Victarctica is having. How about you sis? @ gnaguts The Lion rocks. - Duang Daunk

Judging the climb by what I see in the photo - um I see nothing of it! I have no idea what size crack, what sort of terrain it passes through, how long it is ... Plus there's something about seeing a climber's hands in photos. Which is a little more challenging when they are buried in a crack, but some sense of the relative desperation of holding on is good. There have been some nice enough days in Victarctica since I got back, but mostly, they seem to be when I'm working so I just get to stare wistfully out the window at them. I just noticed M9 is complaining that the last runner is too close and ruins the picture by not having a runout.WTF? It's at his feet! That's a terrifying runout! - Wendy

@Wendy "Judging the climb by what I see in the photo - um I see nothing of it!" "the last runner is too close and ruins the picture by not having a runout. WTF? It's at his feet! That's a terrifying runout! " By your admissions above, and much as I hate to admit it, I think M9 is right in this case; and so I rest my case. - Duang Daunk

@ gfdonc "Hooray, a pic from Vic at last! " When are you going to sub a pic from the Red Tide ascent? ;-) - IdratherbeclimbingM9

@ Stugang "I read the news instead. Got depressed and made me wish chockstone was up again" Interesting photo comment... ??? - IdratherbeclimbingM9

Sorry M9, but by virtue of this being a climbing forum - that has to take precedence over the quality of the photography... In this case he could be bouldering in his backyard by the amount of visible "climbing" in frame. The landscape looks beautiful, lovely cliff line - crop out the angry guy and you have a nice nature photo. As a climbing photo? Not Much to look at... - martym

@ martym Are you for real? A boulderer in their backyard only has a view of their own illegitimate project, so how can you compare that to a real ascent? M9 might be an aider as far as climbing goes, but from what I have seen of his photo comments, he does appear to know chalk from cheese when the technicalities of photography are concerned, unlike you it seems. Another half star to counteract your comment. - gnaguts

Even KP is over-rating it, about the only thing it prompted for me was a mental contrast of how Dave racks his gear vs yours truly. - Rod

@ Rod; Your extensive Euro experience has obviously spoilt you! Heh, heh, heh ;-) ☺ - IdratherbeclimbingM9

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*** On The Prow By Tim Haasnoot  24/07/2014
On The Prow   
Gerhard Deiter coming oh so close to the second ascent of "On The Prow" 27, at Hoppy's Cave, Bulahdelah, NSW.

Nice looking crag! - maxdacat

Another overbolted* sport route, makes picture gallery? Where are the adventure photos from those out doing that style of route? ☺ Given the caption, "coming oh so close to the second ascent" it might have been a better pic if it captured the fall!? As it stands I like the angle it is taken from and would have given another star if I could see the belayer fully in-frame. (* 9 bolts in 10 m, maybe 12 m to allow for fore-shortened start to the climb of photo-visible climbing). - IdratherbeclimbingM9

M9 - the crag says 9 bolts in 20m but don't let the facts get in the way of a good spray :p - maxdacat

@ maxdacat "M9 - the crag says 9 bolts in 20m but don't let the facts get in the way of a good spray :p" The topout was a doddle? What is 'The Crag'? Heh, heh, heh. ~> I am only going by what I can see in the photo as put up for viewing and the site asking for a comment/critique? andallthat?? ~> ~> Have edited, by emboldening my critique accordingly... ;-) ... I have never climbed there & besides, at grade 27, it is 5 or 6 grades harder than I have ever climbed (other than aid), so well done to any who have ascended it; though I hope with the close bolt spacing, they remember it in years to come as something memorable in the total scheme of their climbing... - IdratherbeclimbingM9

It may not be clear in the pic, but the ground is only 4 or so metres away on the first horizontal part of the climb, hence the close bolts. You can skip them if you like :-) - Loz and Tim

Size of belayer in frame shows the height fairly well. Almost looks like Nowra. If you framed Gerd in top right of photo would you get some of the exposure from the cave? Nice looking line Tim. Good effort on the FA. Looks sandbagged. :P - Snacks

looks like roped bouldreing. - White Trash

Come on M9 - this has got everything you usually love - great contrast of rope vs climber and rope; you can clearly see where he's going; you can see the Belayer - why the harsh critique? And where exactly would you place gear on this "adventure"? That said, it does kinda resemble a boulder problem.. would of loved to see some expression in the climbers face or an action shot emphasizing the grade; as well as if the photographer could take a step back and give a bit more view of the cave (and the belayer for M9) - martym

Gerd is over 3 metres tall, so it kind messes with the scaling a bit - Pommy

@ martym Come on M9 - this has got everything you usually love - great contrast of rope vs climber and rope; you can clearly see where he's going; you can see the Belayer - why the harsh critique? And where exactly would you place gear on this "adventure"? Re rope. There is a lot of extra rope in the photo that distracts the eye of a critic*! (* If a photo makes it to Gallery status, and has a star system for rating of them, then it becomes a photo-judging 'competion of sorts' by default, & that is the basis of all the comments re same I have made over the years. This instead of simply looking at any presented subject, simply as a climber, and responding emotionally re how much/little it inspires me). ... Back to rope; It looks to me like Gerhard started out on doubles then untied the blue line (due rope-drag?), as it hangs down in two locations. If it is not his, and therefore part of this ascent, then it is unnecessary clutter both visually and to 'the story' that the photograph portrays. Not to mention the (photographers stabilisation?) lines in top right of frame also distracting the eye. Yes we can see where he is going but to my mind, there is no balance to the photo in that aspect. It would have been better taken as a wider frame, as the extra dimension would have included belayers feet and also provided more balanced distance for climber to ascend to; ie I can't help but think that the highest draw he is climbing towards is not the end of the climb, ... and given the scale of the climb, it doesn't do it justice. Re ' place gear on this "adventure" ' I am not suggesting the climb be done as trad though it does look to me like it could be aided at a medium level of grade difficulty, perhaps M4/M5 depending on rock quality. I only mention this (not to suggest aiding it), to support my belief that it would take enough gear into it to achieve doing it in clean-aid style. It would be an adventure done in that fashion due spaced and finangly bodyweight stuff likely involved in a couple of places... ( ~> ... and as we know, historically most aid ascents eventually get freed! Heh, heh, heh). ;-) Considering the pro options further, I also suggest that the original bolting of that route likely involved placing gear (shock horror!), in close vicinity to the line (adequate for trad??), to enable staying close enough to the rock to apply pressure to the drill!! ☺ (Posted Comment edit); Upon further consideration, even if I was to respond to this photo at a gut emotional level instead of judging it objectively, the first things that stand out to me about it are; * Good to be able to see the climber easily as compared to last Gallery Pic. * Beggar me, there are an awful lot of bolts. * Why was the belayer cut in half? ~> with the result that I probably would have been equally harsh in star allocation to it... ☺ - IdratherbeclimbingM9

M9, a few incorrect assumptions. * Gerhard leading on 1 rope, other gear in background from other climbers. Could have edited it out. Hard when the place is busy. * Line bolted without any trad gear. Some small threaders used and several raps from above. * Go for a trad ascent in the cave, that would be awesome! And clip every 3rd bolt and see how you fair. I take on the feedback, didn't use my wide angle lens as I have done plenty of shots (see my Flickr acc) with it in the cave and was after something different, wanted to show some depth of field with the "prow" feature. Capturing the belayer in full would have looked better and a bit more of the cave/route also. I now have a better understanding of what pic of the week means. I just thought it was for non pro photographers to show off a few pics, unaware of the critiquing. It would appear there aren't to many submissions as sometimes it appears like pic off the month or more. Surely more people are out there taking worthy pics every weekend. - Loz and Tim

@ I just thought it was for non pro photographers to show off a few pics. It is. Yours fits right in. @ Go for a trad ascent in the cave, that would be awesome! Didn't you read the bit where M9 admitted he can't trad climb the grade required? Been a while since I have been there. How is the access these days? - Duang Daunk

@ Loz and Tim "the ground is only 4 or so metres away on the first horizontal part of the climb, hence the close bolts. You can skip them if you like :-) & And clip every 3rd bolt and see how you fair. It seems DD has half responded for me, ... but maybe I can return the thought sentiment myself by saying, 'Try climbing grade M6 or harder some time!' Heh, heh, heh. ~> It is all a game. Enjoying it is the main thing! The above is getting off topic, so getting back on track... @ I just thought it was for non pro photographers to show off a few pics, unaware of the critiquing. ~> At one level you are right, so perhaps I take it all too seriously. ☺ Your thoughts are supported by the latest revision of 'submission-criteria' being (Quote); 'Every so often Chockstone selects a recent picture taken by our members to be awarded the illustrious distinction of appearing in the "Photo Gallery". All photos are most welcome.' The above is different to what I last read there (quite a while ago), which was something along the lines of 'if you have an exceptional photo, please consider submitting it in the following format, blah, blah, etc...' Cheers. Idra~>M9 - IdratherbeclimbingM9

I don't particularly love this photo but i think it shows the prow feature well. Many of the comments above are valid but some are way too harsh. The main reason for making a comment at all is to point out the changing standards for pic of the week. Everyone commenting here should look at the back catalogue in the gallery and order by the number of stars. There are some very good photos with 4 or 5 stars, many better than this one, but there is also a lot of fairly average stuff too. You will also notice that most of the 5 star photos are from circa 2005 and in recent years everyone who puts a pic up gets smashed. Perhaps thats why people aren't submitting so many pics? - Big G

Nice pic. Makes Nowra look good. - gnaguts

@ Big G in recent years everyone who puts a pic up gets smashed. perhaps thats why people aren't submitting so many pics? True about the 'smash', but this, like many Chocky threads, is a morph/wax-wane/affair over the years, and is largely dependent on the nature of those who post to the threads, or 'photo gallery comments' in this case. I have participated in commenting on Photo Gallery since inception, and have noticed that there is often a dearth of photos presented, and this occurred long before the 'smash element' arose. To be fair to Site Author, he can only work with what he is presented with. I think it was a cyclic thing where photographers waxed and waned in enthusiasm, and then the Site Author got distracted with other things for a while, and many Photo Gallery subjects tended to become stale. I am aware of a number of 'second-rate' photos that have been submitted for Gallery Picture status that never made it to presentation page. Maybe that cruelled the enthusiasm of those photographers? In any event, I suspect that the main reason not many photos come up for review, is more closely aligned to the fact of keen photographers being a minority within the Chockstone membership. - IdratherbeclimbingM9

Not commenting on the picture but continuing with big G's commentary. Why does everyone's brain default to a basic sledge. To me it's like a school yard bully tactics. Someone starts the ball rolling and the attack dogs start! Gareth is right, why would Tim post another picture. Why would he write another guide book etc.. How about all the nay sayers out there get off your lazy ass and do something other than whinge and whine.. - ropedonkey

I like the photo, but agree with Mr M9 that it seems overbolted in the photo. Yoo hoo Mr ropedonkey. Derek my M10 love and I have taken this bit of your pseudo critique to heart dearie; "get off your lazy ass and do something" And as a consequence we are going to go and clean-aid climb it to see if Mr M9's grade expectation is true, though I must admit beforehand, his assessment of other routes we have done is pretty close to the mark. - MrsM10iswhereitsat.

My comments were more in line with take pictures and get them out there... Judge the picture not how many bolts are in it. You don't say of a skiing picture nice photo but it would be better if they were riding Atomic skis. Surfing picture great photo pity the tide is so low.. - ropedonkey

ropedonkey wrote; "Judge the picture not how many bolts are in it. You don't say of a skiing picture nice photo but it would be better if they were riding Atomic skis. Surfing picture great photo pity the tide is so low.." The bolts are in the picture? They then become part of what is judged? Comes down to the mindset of who is judging eh bro? BtW, I prefer Fischer skis, and low tide barrels. - Duang Daunk

The route looks pretty good, although I've heard that these caves all reek of goat shit and piss which would have to strip off a star. It is funny that everyone is estimating the bolt spacing on the assumption that Gerd is a normal sized human being. - One Day Hero

@ stugang; "Damo On that assessment I am expecting your next rating of The Hole to be 4.5 stars. Thanks mate it's good to know who's got your back in this bickering world." Hey climbing-cobber, when are you going to submit a picture* of The Hole? Forgive my ignorance, but I gather this is a reference to a climbing location adjacent to Adelaide, and not your 'screen saver pic' of a green and mossy Nowra-similarness, ... such as you mentioned a while back? (* This might conjure some interesting criticism? Heh, heh, heh). ☺ - IdratherbeclimbingM9

The cave is not an easy place to take good photos. Take it from the back of the cave to show some exposure and you end up with a silhouette, take it from the ground and you get a bum shot, take it when the climber is too low and you can't appreciate the length, too wide and you can't see the difficulty of the climb, etc. I think Tim has done well to capture the subject, it's just not a very photogenic location. - Climboholic

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*** Gorgonzola By Simon Opper  9/07/2014
Gorgonzola   
Photos from the first ascents and repeats of George Broadfoot's classy new routes Spicy Cheese (26) and Gorgonzola (27) to the crag Cheesedale, Nowra, Australia. Luke Magills route Small Cheese (23) not pictured is also a quality addition to the area. More photos can be seen on Simon's Flickr. Route details are on thecrag.com at cheesedale LEFTSIDE. message George on Chockstone at gbro for other deets. See Also: Pic 2 | Pic 3.

Now here is a photo that has strong visual balance from a great angle, without photo-shopping (like last gallery pic), the natural eye-drawing-lines, out to the corners to obtain it! Interesting to see reflections of clouds in the water below, as sky-scape (imo), generally adds heaps to the visual component of good quality photos, and this was an unusual way to achieve it. I would've given more stars if I could see the belayer for 'completeness of story' that the photo portrays. Thanks for the link. After viewing them, I highly recommend checking out the other pics (linked above), at Simon's Flickr; as there are some excellent shots there. - IdratherbeclimbingM9

Nice Shot Simo! Would be sic to have an off flash pointing at George to add a bit of drama ;-) Gotta critique the photo though, my eyes are drawn to the quickdraws on the right for some reason. @IdratherbeclimbingM9, I don't have "Photo-shoppe" or Photoshop ;-) - Nick Da Frog

I'm impressed that Simmo managed to make Cheesedale look this good. Gorgeous George, on the other hand, actually looks this good in real life :) - One Day Hero

Gorgeous George, on the other hand, would actually look better with a silly ODH hat on when coming up into sunlight like that :) Half a star for doing it despite the nowra style fashion sense anyway. - gnaguts

Disappointing to see that Stugang deleted his humorous comment, made sometime between 9-14/07/14, re the pic. Something along the lines of; "The creek and greenery are quite pretty, but the climber on the turd of rock makes me want to wash my hands. Five stars. Captures Nowra perfectly." ~> He is having a nostalgia moment? Manning up to his real feelings about Nowra? (In context of a subsequent thread that was partially inspired by his comment here amongst other's Nowra comments... ~> See Bagging Nowra thread). - IdratherbeclimbingM9

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