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Poll Option Votes Graph
Own it, love it 0
 
Own it, don't love it 0
 
I want one! 3
15% 
Looks pretty weird, not sure... 7
35% 
Another heavy over-engineered item I don't want 10
50% 

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Grivel Twin Gate?
martym
26/01/2014
11:54:37 PM
Grivel Twin Gate Carabiner (4 different models available)
What do people think? Anyone used it? Another heavy piece of evolution that will disappear? Just one more piece of expensive gear I'll never use? How did we ever climb without it?

My main concern would be maintenance & hard to reach bolts - this essentially shortens your biner-reach to normal arm stretch.
And my baby likes to chew on draws, this one looks like it bites back!

Here's a link to the review by the guy in the YouTube Ad, Stevie Haston
http://steviehaston.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/grivel-twin-gate-knowledge-by-stevie.html
dave
28/01/2014
5:51:34 AM
On the topic of weird biners, how bout this:


http://youtu.be/PdTG2C9Cg90
Wendy
28/01/2014
8:45:37 AM
That video really sells steve haston acting skills. I just want him to point to a bolt, piton and icescrew in slow motion again for me, I didn't quite get what they were.

ajfclark
28/01/2014
9:15:54 AM
In the text he explains that the video is a bit weird so they didn't have to do as many translations.
martym
28/01/2014
12:25:28 PM
On 28/01/2014 ajfclark wrote:
>In the text he explains that the video is a bit weird so they didn't have
>to do as many translations.

But it doesn't explain why there were no close ups or in-situ footage. Just him clipping again and again for 5 minutes.
I want to know how you open the draw - it seems you flick the top part open to create a kind of hook; requiring you to have full control (as opposed to a snap gate where you can just whack a bolt and it clips in)

Also doesn't show how to clean gear - how easy is it to remove for the second?

I give the ad 1.5 stars. How about you Margaret?
Drake
28/01/2014
12:34:34 PM
All of the "problems" illustrated in the video are also solved with locking biners, and I'm not keen to making every clipping task twice as difficult. Meh.
martym
28/01/2014
12:38:10 PM
On 28/01/2014 dave wrote:
>On the topic of weird biners, how bout this:
>http://youtu.be/PdTG2C9Cg90

See! That ad is SO much more entertaining (if completely ridiculous) - and you can actually see how the biner works.
Shame that it seems very likely to get damaged and/or filthy with a low lifespan.

I give the ad 4 stars, over to you Margaret.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
28/01/2014
1:18:51 PM
The promo-blurb says;
Very large carabiner for belaying with Munter hitch and for rappelling, with single or double ropes.

&

Carabiners clip and unclip by accident, unclipping can cause injury, death, and huge inconvenience, the only carabineer that successfully cures this, is the Twin Gate.
Check it out, accidental unclipping seriously compromises longevity!
Twin gate, two gates, twice the carabiner.


It is obviously specialised in the first application (the heavy duty version), but desperate clips with it's opposed gates arrangement (lightweight version), would make a hard climb harder...
kieranl
28/01/2014
2:22:11 PM
There are also neat things such as the Rock Exotica Bi-wire.
http://www.rockexotica.com/dev/products/carabiners/rockd_bi_wire.html
These are a great where you might otherwise use screwgates in your anchor system.

Snacks
28/01/2014
2:52:04 PM
On 28/01/2014 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>The promo-blurb says;
>Carabiners clip and unclip by accident

If you fall on the non-gate side of a biner is this really an issue?

More amusingly, I like the gradual elevation of consequence:-

> injury, death and huge inconvenience

IdratherbeclimbingM9
28/01/2014
3:31:25 PM
On 28/01/2014 Snacks wrote:
>If you fall on the non-gate side of a biner is this really an issue?

I imagine not. However, gate-flutter while the rope whipping through it during a fall is a known event, and on rare instances has caused unclipping issues. I also imagine that if a rope manages to pass a fluttering internal gate, then the outside gate which opens outward, would not prevent that rare unclip to happen?


>More amusingly, I like the gradual elevation of consequence:-
>
>> injury, death and huge inconvenience

Noted that too, along with the spelling of carabineer (sic).
I imagine that if death catches me, that my inconveniences will no longer be huge, though it may affect some of those who remain...

Snacks
28/01/2014
4:37:20 PM
On 28/01/2014 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>I imagine not. However, gate-flutter while the rope whipping through it
>during a fall is a known event, and on rare instances has caused unclipping
>issues. I also imagine that if a rope manages to pass a fluttering internal
>gate, then the outside gate which opens outward, would not prevent that
>rare unclip to happen?

I like the cheapo idea of adding two biners facing opposite directions on a bunny earred knot on the end of a sling, with another biner on the end (obviously).

Though, they do look so nice and Ironman-esque.

Snacks
28/01/2014
5:05:50 PM
Also,

On 28/01/2014 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>Noted that too, along with the spelling of carabineer (sic).

Carabineer: Climbing pirate

^ much better explanation

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