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Camping gear (Plus alot stuff on my bad Grammar)


nmonteith

8-Sep-2005
5:06:56 PM

Come on guys, back on topic. I was only having a dig at someone for not bothering to structure their post
in standard english sentences. I actually find it quite hard to read and understand something which is so
hurriedly written in one big string. If you invest the time in asking clear and concise questions then you
will getter better answers. If you just bang away quickly some random thoughts then most will ignore the
post.


DaCrux

8-Sep-2005
5:19:55 PM

>Good to hear some of them do DaCrux, as 90-110 is the average (IQ is mental age >divided by actual age times 100).
Doh! my IQ is only 66.6666... I should have never believed those guys from Mensa :(((((

8-Sep-2005
5:22:50 PM

Sleeping bags: Lightweight for summer - cooler months
Mid-weight for cooler months
Heavyweight for cold months
Cheryl and I share two bags zipped together, top and bottom, not side by side, and keeps both us comfortable. The temp determines which sleeping bag is on top. In summer even an inner sheet can be too much.

A heavier then normal tent for car camping, you still don't want something that requires a thousand pegs to keep it from blowing away in a strong wind (or collapsing onto you during the night). When car camping, things such as chairs, eskies and gas stoves make life that bit more comfortable.

Grammar: If you saw a route description that said "Climb the right hand crack" what would you do? Climb the right-hand crack? Or climb the right hand-crack? If the crack was smaller than hand-sized, would you suggest that the guide description should be changed (finger-crack?) or would you assume it meant "climb the right-hand crack"?

I've learnt a lot by editing guides over the years and yet I still feel a newbie when it comes to getting things correct. If you make an effort, people will forgive the small misteaks we all make.


Flip

8-Sep-2005
7:12:59 PM

LOl loving this forum get a laugh of the mixture of climbing and Grammer.
but yeah all the suggestion in both important parts of my life have been accepted and thought over thanks for the help
keep it going this fourm thread is Classic


cheesehead

8-Sep-2005
10:08:31 PM

On 6/09/2005 Rich wrote:
>why do we have to use correct grammar etc on this sorta thing,

So you can express yourself.
Your, You're, Yaw and Yore all mean different things.


Sabu

8-Sep-2005
10:55:45 PM

don't forget "y4w"


kerroxapithecus

8-Sep-2005
11:24:52 PM

Internet forum threads do tend to have a life of their own. I think that's the nature of the game. Sorry if I offended anyone. It was a serious, heartfelt, non-threatening post. If any offended critics care to read it again without any interference from their own preconceived ideas it might become clearer. I think ti gets it. We're just having a friendly banter. Some get a kick out of it, some don't. Funny thing is I asked questions about tents twice in two separate posts but noone cared to answer. Some people were interested in 'talking' about the grammar thing even though it was off the main topic.

cheers
Kerrin


kerroxapithecus

8-Sep-2005
11:35:37 PM

On 8/09/2005 BA wrote:
>misteaks

lol. i like it!


DaCrux

8-Sep-2005
11:59:31 PM

I have read your comments a number of times, and (whether you intended to or not) it sounds like you think that people with disabilities have no insight into their actions/existence. Most things people learn become automatic - eventually. The more you climb, the easier certain moves get – and you can do them without consciously thinking about them. But anyway…

To answer your question: when you look for a tent – look for one that’s waterproof not water resistant. Also, most will tell you how waterproof they are – e.g. 40mm of rain. Get one that’s got a fly and an inner – they’re generally more waterproof and get less condensation.

jmgh

9-Sep-2005
12:43:31 AM

i've only just looked at this thread,here's a quote from a recent article that seems relevant to the grammar topic

(there) is the widespread misconception that an inability to read and write and use language effectively is linked with IQ. "In fact, reading isn't something that requires a high level of intelligence," he says. "Amongst children who struggle to read, you find some with a high IQ, some in the middle and some with a low IQ." The real tragedy of that misconception lies in the fact that children who are poor readers are too often assumed to be less capable: they are put into the lower teaching groups, given easier work at school, and are not intellectually challenged as they should be. And what that means, in turn, is that they not only underachieve, they also become disaffected by the education process and become unenthusiastic about learning.

From http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1564024,00.html


kerroxapithecus

9-Sep-2005
12:14:15 PM

I did say "one may have an intellectual disability meaning skills are often rote learned"

I did say "often" but this may not have been the best way to put it but it is quite accurate from what I know about the condition known as intellectual disability, particularly the moderate to profound group. but the statement is a far cry from saying people with an intellectual disability have no insight into their actions or existence and are akin to dogs learning tricks. That could be seen as offensive. Being accused of judging and belittling is hurtful because it is a form of judging and belittling. It's best to enquire as to what the person means rather than to react harshly in the first instance. I attended a talk last week by a renowned clinical psychologist specialising in assessing people with intellectual disabilities. This is not the place to continue this discussion so I will move over the HaveachatwithHexy thread to give some information about what was said about people with intellectual disabilities and the difficulty for them in learning and achieving basic living skills, even when they have strengths in some areas. Adaptive behaviour weaknesses are also relevant.

My main point here was that it is likely that everyone who comes to this forum has the ability....the ability to use correct grammar etc. If they do not it is likely to be because they don't give a toss....that's their right, they're not being judged or belittled and a request that they use sentences from some other punter surely cannot be seen to be some form of judgement about them or their education, socioeconomic status or intelligence. To assume that it is could be seen as discrimination or stereotyping.

Most forums have a section for general discussion that is not related to the forum theme. It would help if chockstone had a section called "Climbing Discussion" and another called "General Discussion" for all the crap that goes on here. People can then move over there for off-topic bunkum and squabbling.....just a suggestion.


kerroxapithecus

9-Sep-2005
12:23:24 PM

Flip, so glad you're enjoying the thread you so innocently started. My comment about your reckless disregard was probably not the best use of language but I just meant you didn't give a rats ass basically.

jon the pom
Yes yes yes. You are 100% right. This is a topic that I have done a lot of research on and been to seminars on and could write a 20,000 word essay on right now off the top of my head. But I will refrain for the benefit of other more sane people here. Again I'll go to the Haveachatwithhexy to discuss this if anyone wants to. But I will say here that it has been found that a love of climbing is highly correlated with a high IQ in children. So there you go. Also that intellectual giftedness is found in about 5% of the population. I can't remember how many chockstone members there are but from these statistics it is likely that there are lots of chockers who have high IQs.....not that it's going to get you that far because of what jon the pom says (until our education system changes).

Thanks jon. I'll go and read that link.


nmonteith

9-Sep-2005
12:31:32 PM

On 9/09/2005 kerroxapithecus wrote:
>Most forums have a section for general discussion that is not related
>to the forum theme. It would help if chockstone had a section called "Climbing
>Discussion" and another called "General Discussion" for all the crap that
>goes on here. People can then move over there for off-topic bunkum and
>squabbling.....just a suggestion.

We prefer to keep the Chocktone forum totally about climbing. That is what it was designed for.


kerroxapithecus

9-Sep-2005
3:36:16 PM

Could you at least concede that some people who love climbing might want to meet other climbers and talk about climbing and also other interests apart from climbing? It's becoming quite clear to me that many climbers don't have any other interests but some do. Going off-topic happens on most forums I've been on and in normal conversations too and to stop it interfering with what most people are there for it's just a good idea to move it to a section. I don't think anyone can or should attempt to control what people talk about and how a thread will go so it might just be a good idea that keeps most people happy. I posted a thread asking whether people had issues with their belayer (amongst some other things) and no-one answered that particular aspect which I was wanting feedback on. The thread has taken another path and that's ok with me and I can ignore the stuff I don't want to read. If people crap on then people can say "go to the general discussion section". I think it's better than telling them to communicate privately on the matter or to get lost because sometimes a few people want to join in.

It's an area that's debatable. When you say "we want" how can you really speak for all people on Chockstone? I began posting on a forum last year and we've made friendships and we are all meeting in Sydney on Sunday - 22 people from all over Australia. There is a common interest but people also like to talk about whatever - their families, pets, work and philosophies on life - that's how we get to know each other. If one doesn't want a forum for that, that's fine and that's why I stick by my suggestion of a general discussion area on any forum and other areas where people should stick to the topic. I've also been on another forum where the moderation is so strict they wipe out your post if it's not on the topic and put it in the right place. That approach can be annoying too and can turn people off.

thanks for those comments. I always appreciate your matter-of-fact style. but I don't want to talk here about this anymore. Goodbye to this thread, never to be visited again by kerrox. I've got enought tent info now. I'll check the hexy thread for any further wayward comments.


adski

9-Sep-2005
4:07:09 PM

On 9/09/2005 nmonteith wrote:
>We prefer to keep the Chocktone forum totally about climbing. That is
>what it was designed for.

I disagree.

I see a discussion forum for climbers being a very different beast to a discussion forum about climbing. It's narrow minded to think that climbers only climb, and I enjoy being enriched by people's peripheral banter on this forum.

But Neil I do agree with you about SMS style messages being jarring to read sometimes. A conversational style of post is much more pleasant and indicates that care and thought has been taken.


nmonteith

9-Sep-2005
4:10:59 PM

Mike Boniwell (who owns this site) suggested people can create a new topic for chit chat (off topic stuff).
He doesn't want to create a whole new fourm heading for this sort of stuff as the forum page is alreayd
cluttered with enough of them. Using hexys topic is a good idea.

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