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Camping gear (Plus alot stuff on my bad Grammar)


Super Saiyan

6-Sep-2005
4:06:26 PM

u still need a fuel bottle for a trangia!


nmonteith

6-Sep-2005
4:10:14 PM

However, I swear by my Trangia when in Australia and in temps above 5'C. They work wonderfully and
very reliably. The amount of times my 13 year old Trangia has cooked dinners for everyone whilst my
poor MSR friends have spent the night dismantling and fixing their stoves is countless!!! When in Baffin
Island our MSR XKG stove had to be fully dismantled and cleaned before every use because of poor
local fuel quality. Very annoying.


Flip

6-Sep-2005
4:18:06 PM

Yeah cool trangia sounds good and easy Thanks thats one thing on my now christmas list


sabu

6-Sep-2005
4:21:01 PM

On 6/09/2005 obsessedclimber wrote:
>sabu, you are SO trad my lad! lol
why thank you!!

i assumed this was for Australian camping, ie bring along a chair, beer and your trangia and no need to worry about weight!!
didn't know they were soo strict about alchohol over there!!


dan

6-Sep-2005
6:47:23 PM

Unless your in a location completely deprived of fuel save your $150, don't get a trangia/msr. If you must have a metho/petrol burner, just get a burner unit ($5-$25) you can take al-foil as a wind break ($0.50), and any old kind of pot/pan ($1). If your heading for alpine guideing, then I will conceed the point.


DaCrux

7-Sep-2005
1:12:27 AM

>However, I swear by my Trangia when in Australia and in temps above 5'C.
trangias are great, even in temps below 5'C - just keep the fuel bottle in your sleeping bag ;)

JamieF

7-Sep-2005
11:14:34 AM

One positive with a Trangia comes from it burning ethanol. My understanding is that the fumes given off from burning shellite, petrol et cet (as well as any spilt fuel) are quite bad for the waterproofing and nylon of your tent. With a Trangia, you can cook inside the tent without any issues (obviously provided you're careful), which is nice in the rain and wind when you'd prefer to have that vestibule door shut and means you can make coffee without leaving your sleeping bag.

If you want to go really cheap or you really like making stuff yourself, you can easily make a quite good burner from a couple of aluminium cans. In principle, not so different to a Trangia burner. Something like the "photon stove" on the following web page works well.
http://www.backpacking.net/makegear.html


shmalec

7-Sep-2005
1:13:22 PM

Trangias are very simple elegant designs that are infinately more reliable than MSR types for warmer conditions. However, the lower heat content of the fuel makes for longer cook times. This means that you need to take a lot more fuel. It can also be very hard to light them if its v. cold.

Because the MSRs shoot fuel through a teensee hole, it can get clogged just when you really need it. Depends a lot on fuel quality. You can pull them to bits yourself though. If you're thinking of forking out for a MSR dragonfly think again.


kerroxapithecus

7-Sep-2005
3:59:45 PM

ti,
for someone advocating quite an unrestricted meltdown of the written English language you're grammar, expression and punctuation is probably the best I've seen on this forum. From that I can presume it carries substantial value for you....for you to spend the time and effort that it takes to write so eloquently and accurately.

I spt sm tm on a intnt frm lk ths lst yr n sm1 rt al thr psts lk ths. t wz vri dfict to undrstd n drv evri1 mad. i gs we shd drw t ln smwr othwz wi ma nd up wt smtn lk ths:

k ie j k t k k ii r tt t.

It's not altogether unreasonable to suggest that this is what will happen if we don't make some effort to maintain correct grammar and punctuation. On the other hand it is much quicker to type less letters and if we can provide meaning and expression with this kind of minimalistic writing there is likely to be an inevitable evolution of the written language.

Re the tents:
I wz gng to by...................sorry no just kidding!

I was going to buy a cheap kmart tent for unadventurous camping trip coming up. I don't want to spend much but have experienced the perils of leaky tents. Would I need to go elsewhere to get one that I can be sure will be waterproof? How much would I need to spend? Need bigger than 2 woman tent. Also going to buy el-cheapo sleepinig bags for summer.


kerroxapithecus

7-Sep-2005
4:02:59 PM

sorry 'your grammar'....not 'you're grammar'.

I'm sure there are other mistakes but that was a particularly bad one that I couldn't live with.


Sabu

7-Sep-2005
5:39:13 PM

well our tent for unadventurous use is a lightning conductor (not really sure if thats true but it looks like one), it's a classic triangle style tent not one of these fancy wizzbang dome tents, it's got more metal frames than u can imagine, just a slight exaduration (spellink)!! but yea it's got three (thick) poles one on either end that stick through the top of the tent, with the third pole going horizontally with the end poles going through it to support the fabric which basically hangs over this! *sigh* i need a new tent but hey whos gonna buy me one!!


Super Saiyan

7-Sep-2005
5:44:38 PM

isnt that the type of tent your supposed to have if your hardcore trad sabu? ah yes, I can sense you turning to the dark side already... its only a matter of time my young apprentice!


dan

7-Sep-2005
6:01:13 PM

> sorry 'your grammar'....not 'you're grammar'.

It's sad the header is too short to include terrible spelling as well.


Sabu

7-Sep-2005
10:25:45 PM

On 7/09/2005 obsessedclimber wrote:
>isnt that the type of tent your supposed to have if your hardcore trad
>sabu?

yes probably, unfortunately it clashes with my hiking and mountaineering ambitions. but it's fine for an Araps trip, lots of storage space for Hexes and other TRAD gear!! :P

armyiain

7-Sep-2005
10:35:37 PM

There is so much to be said for an old-school A-frame tent or similiar. None of those new-fangled dome tents (Iain strokes beard, or more accurately his pathetic stubble). Mine used to belong to my Dad, so I reckon it's at least 20 years old.

kieranl

7-Sep-2005
10:36:39 PM

And if you do actually want to climb ozy in any of the four seasons or maybe climb in southwest tassie a fibre sleeping bag is the go. Unfortunately it really has to be a second bag because down is so much more comfortable for snow and most climbing camping.


sabu

7-Sep-2005
10:44:31 PM

just our of curiousity who does own an A frame tent or pack or one of the later model packs, which are more like canvas sacks tied to a metal frame? we own 2 of those packs and the A Frame tent. plus a really old school stove, don't worry it's buried never to be used again! im sure i could more ancient relics if i dug into my cuboard!!


nmonteith

7-Sep-2005
10:53:24 PM

On 7/09/2005 kieranl wrote:
>And if you do actually want to climb ozy in any of the four seasons or
>maybe climb in southwest tassie a fibre sleeping bag is the go. Unfortunately
>it really has to be a second bag because down is so much more comfortable
>for snow and most climbing camping.

I have have used my dryloft covered down bag for all my bigwalls and mountaineering trips over the last 5
years. I have had no problems with it when it was inside a bivi bag during rain/snow!


kerroxapithecus

8-Sep-2005
3:08:42 PM

On 8/09/2005 ti wrote:
>Hey Kerroxapithecus (what a cool name!),

thanks but i'm really kerrin

>I'm not sure that you can draw a correlation between the way I write and
>my opinion of correct
>grammer, punctuation, and spelling, or for that matter the time and effort
>it took to construct the email

I find this very difficult to believe. Wouldn't this be like saying there is no correlation between your desire to live in a clean home and your act of taking out the garbage? and not only the act of taking out the garbage, but whether you take the time to tie the bag properly and make sure it doesn't have holes in it before you begin?

I would have thought that underlying most things we do there's some element of intention or desire there that actually causes us to do the thing. This would surely be the case unless one's conduct is still governed by the fear of a rap over the knuckles for not doing it or one has an intellectual disability which means skills are often rote learned so that they become automatic and there is no real understanding of why something needs to be done.

>- I touch type, which lets me write as fast as I think, but this is not
>necessarily a good thing!

I touch type too, fast. But that doesn't stop me from having to think and take time to plan my sentences and put in commas and question marks when I believe my message will be better understood if I do. Seeing I don't think with commas, exclamation marks and full stops I have to put some thought into where to put them when I'm writing down my thoughts.

>I value expression and communication over correct grammer, punctuation
>and spelling. More
>importantly, I value equality.

I think this is your main point.

>Thank you for your comments about my writing, however I think that eloquence
>is a far cry from how I
>write.

it's a matter of opinion I guess but you do have a way with words.

>function - communication - is valid, but, were you looked down upon by
>other members of the other
>forum?

I don't think so because it wasn't me who wrote like that it was someone else. I suppose it was difficult for you to fully understand my message because of the missing letters.

>you have at your disposal the ability to use correct grammer
>et al.

all people within one standard deviation below the average IQ score of 100 ie. 85, would have the ability to use correct grammar. Whether they do or not would appear to me to be their choice.

>This leads me to my
>original point which I'll reiterate, as debates can become convoluted
>and points can become obtuse,
>shouldn't everyone feel that they can openly ask questions on this forum
>regardless of background,
>climbing experience or education? Shouldn't the members on this forum
>try not to judge and belittle
>based on mere grammer? Neil is a respected climber and his opinion matters.

Would someone really feel judged, offended and belittled at his comment? especially when it is more than likely that the person omitted grammatical symbols out of reckless disregard rather than because they come from a disadvantaged background or have some disability that caused them to write like that.

>And whilst I'm ranting,
>Why is correct grammer more important than expression?

it is not more important than expression it is the facilitator of expression in the written language.

>Why do people judge
>others on how well
>they spell?

I don't think they do, do they? I didn't read any judgement of the person or their personality in the request by nmonteith. He didn't request accurate spelling.

>oh, and another good point you raised was the use of shortened words becoming
>acceptable and
>making writing more efficient. This has been happening since - well actually,
>I don't know when it came
>about so, I'll use a grand sweeping term such as - 'forever'.

not forever, around 500,000 years ago at the time of Homo Erectus I'd say but not around the time of Australopithecines, the first human-ape like hominins. But there would have initially been an expansion of language and phonetic sounds within words until the point where we then decided to start shortening for ease and laziness.

>Tents and gear: determine your needs, budget (or parent's budget) and
>what you can afford at that
>price range.
>

I want to spend as little as possible but not get wet if it rains. I saw a tent today at KMart and it stated on the label that it was waterproof. Should I believe it?


DaCrux

8-Sep-2005
4:35:51 PM

I think some people seem to forget that this is a CLIMBING forum. People use this forum to chat about climbing, or matters related to climbing.
Whilst grammar and spelling are important in e.g. climbing guides, they have very little impact on the way one climbs. Many of my friends have IQs of above 100 (so they tell me) – and still make spelling mistakes. And they wouldn’t make very good climbers :)
Flip asked a question about camping gear, not about the history of the English language. We are in the 21st century, and people tend to rely on computers to correct their grammar and spelling – and yet embarrassing typos (such as “you’re” instead of “your”) still happen. Not everyone here is a linguist or a lawyer. Furthermore, one’s grammar or spelling do not determine the kind of person they are. I must also say that I found Kerroxapithecus’ comments about people with intellectual disabilities offensive. I’m sure people with disabilities have insight into their actions – and they’re not like dogs learning new tricks.
One great thing about the climbing community is that people tend not to be judgmental and tend not to belittle other. Let’s keep it that way.

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