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A Couple of Big Wall Questions

Olbert

19-Jun-2012
3:15:57 PM

We have a 70L haul bag though it is smaller than we were expecting. Is it feasible to scrimp and fit 4 stretched days of supplies into the 70L haul bag? If we have to upsize, is it feasible to have and haul two 70L bags side by side or one underneath the other, OR get a bigger (120L?) haul bag?

For a 3 - 4 day haul bag (~60kgs?) is the traxion mini or traxion pro better for hauling? Considering that the pro is bigger and heavier to lead and carry. Are the hauling capabilities of the mini as good as the pro for this weight?

kieranl

19-Jun-2012
3:36:34 PM

On 19/06/2012 Olbert wrote:
>We have a 70L haul bag though it is smaller than we were expecting.
Still rolling around the floor laughing.


nmonteith

19-Jun-2012
3:44:20 PM

Rig a second haul bag underneath the first first one. Providing the lower one is smaller it actually doesn't have to be an expensive haul bag. Just buy a really robust canvas duffel bag from a disposals store and ONLY put light stuff like sleeping bags and clothes in it. Avoid anything hard or heavy - as it will puncture the canvas quickly when dragged. Be prepared to loose the contents of the bag if it gets dropped badly (ie a pendulum). You can reinforce with gaffer tape. I did this with a $15 army disposals bag and it survived Leaning Tower, Zodiac and The Prow. The worst thing about it was carrying it back down from the summit as it had tiny uncomfortbale shoulder straps that dug in evilly.

p.s. a nomal haul bag is at least 100 litres. Im unsure if 70 litres could even be called a 'real' haul bag.

Olbert

19-Jun-2012
3:48:08 PM

On 19/06/2012 kieranl wrote:
>On 19/06/2012 Olbert wrote:
>>We have a 70L haul bag though it is smaller than we were expecting.
>Still rolling around the floor laughing.

My brother bought that one, I feel I should not wear the indignity of being laughed at!


nmonteith

19-Jun-2012
3:49:51 PM

Water is the biggest weight and bulk when doing a 4 day wall. You'll be carrying 25kg of water for two people over that period - maybe more if you are doing something in the blazing sun.


nmonteith

19-Jun-2012
3:51:18 PM

I have a loaner haul bag you can borrow if you promise to replace if it gets badly damaged. I also found that other jumar!


Miguel75

19-Jun-2012
4:07:04 PM

On 19/06/2012 kieranl wrote:
>On 19/06/2012 Olbert wrote:
>>We have a 70L haul bag though it is smaller than we were expecting.
>Still rolling around the floor laughing.

Isn't it ROFL? And why are you ROFL?

I've hauled approx 40kgs on a minitraxion and didn't mind it. I like the 2:1 system detailed here;

http://www.climbing.com/print/techtips/ttaid228/

http://www.hudonpanos.com/Wall-Tips/2-to-1-Hauling.pdf

P.S. take all my advice with a grain of salt as I am in the big wall special Ed class;)

kieranl

19-Jun-2012
4:13:40 PM

On 19/06/2012 Miguel75 wrote:
>On 19/06/2012 kieranl wrote:
>>On 19/06/2012 Olbert wrote:
>>>We have a 70L haul bag though it is smaller than we were expecting.
>
>>Still rolling around the floor laughing.
>
>Isn't it ROFL?
IAOF
>And why are you ROFL?
Wondering what capacity Olly was expecting in a 70L haul bag? 80 litres, 90?

Olbert

19-Jun-2012
4:21:05 PM

On 19/06/2012 kieranl wrote:
>On 19/06/2012 Miguel75 wrote:
>>On 19/06/2012 kieranl wrote:
>>>On 19/06/2012 Olbert wrote:
>>>>We have a 70L haul bag though it is smaller than we were expecting.
>>
>>>Still rolling around the floor laughing.
>>
>>Isn't it ROFL?
>IAOF
>>And why are you ROFL?
>Wondering what capacity Olly was expecting in a 70L haul bag? 80 litres,
>90?

I wasn't expecting any capacity. My brother was the one expecting the capacity, I'm the one asking the questions and copping the flak.


Miguel75

19-Jun-2012
4:21:19 PM


nmonteith

19-Jun-2012
4:22:45 PM

It's not about the weight - but the volume when it comes to haul bags. A decent hiking pack is 80 to 90 litres. You can't fit two sleeping bags, 25 litres of water and two sleeping mats in a 90 litre pack. Thus a 70 litre haulbag = ?????!!!!


Miguel75

19-Jun-2012
4:35:53 PM

Your trip sounds like it's going to be rad Ollie. Have fun and be safe.

singersmith

19-Jun-2012
4:39:38 PM

The traxions are great tools, but should be backed up; they frown at being torqued and the mini can slip open if a sling grabs the side. I also have a Grade VII haulbag you can borrow if you're departing from Melbourne.


nmonteith

19-Jun-2012
4:41:48 PM

p.s. Remember that a haul bag needs to be big enough to fit your bivi stuff PLUS your wall rack, multiple ropes, poo tube etc for the walk and/or rap back down. Yosemite descents aren't a few minutes scrambling back down - they can drag on for hours....

kieranl

19-Jun-2012
4:47:47 PM

On 19/06/2012 Olbert wrote:
>I wasn't expecting any capacity. My brother was the one expecting the
>capacity, I'm the one asking the questions and copping the flak.
Don't mind me. You just provided a bit of light relief from work.


Miguel75

19-Jun-2012
4:48:58 PM

Have you thought of buying a haul bag in the US, just before you go, and having it shipped to the Yosemite post office ready for pick up?


sliamese

19-Jun-2012
4:57:34 PM

You'd want two, i used a metolius big one for up to 6 days, and anoter for any longer! Dont put hard things on the side. The second bag can either hang beneath directly, or better on a 3m piece of cord so it sits below, but can be lifted up.

No one should ever buy a mini traxion now, micro-traxion has a bigger pulley and fraction of the weight! But definately get a pro, or other large pulley. that turns a sufferfest into something fun!!

With haulbags in general, your better off having space, and the ability to rummage around, than squeezing everything in, having to take it all out to get one item!


nmonteith

19-Jun-2012
5:07:41 PM

On 19/06/2012 sliamese wrote:
>With haulbags in general, your better off having space, and the ability
>to rummage around, than squeezing everything in, having to take it all
>out to get one item!

Spot on! Because you can't pull things out and put them on the ground to find something in the bottom!


IdratherbeclimbingM9

19-Jun-2012
5:46:51 PM

On 19/06/2012 nmonteith wrote:
>On 19/06/2012 sliamese wrote:
>>With haulbags in general, your better off having space, and the ability
>>to rummage around, than squeezing everything in, having to take it all
>>out to get one item!
>
>Spot on! Because you can't pull things out and put them on the ground
>to find something in the bottom!

It doesn't matter what you do, because snafu's law dictates that what you want will always be low in the haulbag anyway!

Hey Olly, learn to suffer a bit and aim for going light...
~> Put your essential water in (then take 3 litres out), a bit of moisture based scroggin (the original hardmen took a tin of prunes), minimal sleeping gear (a half bag and downie top works(!), ... or one bag and spoon with your bro!!), pare down your rack, and you should get away with your daybag...
;-)

dicky

19-Jun-2012
6:42:02 PM

i found it really helpful that we had a couple of ikea shopping bags with us and used them to pile crap in when delving in the depths of the pig this was a happy accident and in no way suggests any good planing on our part. just stuff them empty in the top of the bag and you have somewhere to put stuff when hanging around that comes with built in clip in points (unfortunatly ikea do not make rated shopping bags so dont blame me if your stuff decorates the vally)

2nd on the not stuffing the sh#te out of the bag it makes life really hard.

lay out everything esential and then chuck half of it out - you have to carry and haul all that crap go light light light!

The biggest problem is normally the rangers just stay in the background and chat to the climbers for the latest blags - beware non climbing campers in camp 4 they will complain to the rangers about anything.

have an awsome time
dicky

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