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11-Jul-2012 1:43:40 PM
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My knees have been killing me for 4 months (hell, isn't that something that happens to old people?) I like a drink as much as the next man, if he's also an alcoholic.
Anyway, I decided to give away drinking for dry July but find that it's turned into pain free knee month, damn! I'll continue the experiment till I crack.
The obvious alternate hypothesis that weight loss reduces knee stress is unprovable as I haven't lost an ounce. And some mornings I still wake up feeling terrible!
This would be my first 10 days without plonk since 1975 I think
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11-Jul-2012 2:20:40 PM
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Nice work mike.
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11-Jul-2012 2:25:27 PM
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Never trust a man who doesn't drink. :-)
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11-Jul-2012 3:03:29 PM
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Bundy Bear machine picked up 3 grades and climbed like a beast when he quit the booze! There is hope yet Mike!
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11-Jul-2012 4:19:10 PM
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Stop drinking from bottles. Stick to casks and cans.
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11-Jul-2012 4:47:13 PM
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Gout is definitely an old man's disease.
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11-Jul-2012 8:26:56 PM
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On 11/07/2012 mikllaw wrote:
>My knees have been killing me for 4 months (hell, isn't that something
>that happens to old people?) I like a drink as much as the next man, if
>he's also an alcoholic.
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What does that have to do with climbing?
;-)
>Anyway, I decided to give drinking for dry July but find that it's turned
>into pain free knee month, damn! I'll continue the experiment till I crack.
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A 10 day dry spell produced that response?
I have been told that I should take up red wine as it is likely better for me, but so far the scotch whisky doesn't appear to be giving me bad knees, or any other negative symptoms...
~> What is/was your drink of choice when you are/were not looking after your knees?
>The obvious alternate hypothesis that weight loss reduces knee stress
>is unprovable as I haven't lost an ounce. And some mornings I still wake
>up feeling terrible!
BS! Give us a graph or it didn't happen!
;-)
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>This would be my first 10 days without plonk since 1975 I think
~> You probably had enough back then to average out at a reasonable amount ongoing!
If you dispute this, then I will seek a second opinion from ww&s on the intake vs age hypothesis!!
Heh, heh, heh.
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11-Jul-2012 9:07:14 PM
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If it wasn't for grog, widewetandslippery would look like Stephen J Hawkins.
...he already types like him.
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11-Jul-2012 9:55:01 PM
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Get a boat WW and we can go drink packrafting. Wish they still had the hydrofoil, would of love to take one of those fukers on.
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11-Jul-2012 10:11:01 PM
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On 11/07/2012 mikllaw wrote:
... And some mornings I still wake up feeling terrible
There goes my go to quote "I feel sorry for people who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning that's the best they're going to feel all day"
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12-Jul-2012 8:50:51 AM
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Dr Law,
Here is some 'food for thought':
Gout can present in a number of ways, although the most usual is a recurrent attack of acute inflammatory arthritis (a red, tender, hot, swollen joint). The metatarsal-phalangeal joint at the base of the big toe is affected most often, accounting for half of cases. Other joints, such as the heels, knees, wrists and fingers, may also be affected. Joint pain usually begins over 2–4 hours and during the night. The reason for onset at night is due to the lower body temperature then.
Dietary causes account for about 12% of gout, and include a strong association with the consumption of alcohol, fructose-sweetened drinks, meat, and seafood. Other triggers include physical trauma and surgery. Recent studies have found dietary factors once believed to be associated are, in fact, not, including the intake of purine-rich vegetables (e.g., beans, peas, lentils, and spinach) and total protein. The consumption of coffee, vitamin C and dairy products, as well as physical fitness, appear to decrease the risk. (source: Wikipedia)
I'd be ditching the lollies,seafood,trauma and cosmetic surgery and staying on the drink.
You might want to avoid wines from Pyrenees Ridge and Blue Pyrenees though!!
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12-Jul-2012 10:19:13 AM
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Im not sure whether this is good news, or bad news...but lets all drink to Mikl's health!
On an unrelated note, Silly Putty at Nowra is a rad route! Totally underrated classic. Its classic Claw funkiness all the way.
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12-Jul-2012 11:06:30 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/a-weight-off-your-mind--and-your-knees-20120711-21w04.html
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12-Jul-2012 11:10:52 AM
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I had a virus a few years ago that made me allergic to alcohol (damaged kidneys?) - I'd get a migraine after drinking even a light beer. I suffered headaches for 3 months before my conditioning returned.
I feel your pain...
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13-Jul-2012 8:00:52 AM
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This week's plan is to cutt out coffee and smiling before noon
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13-Jul-2012 11:04:38 AM
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On 12/07/2012 paulmilliken wrote:
>I have found an alkaline-forming diet works well for me.........
Can you give us a quick run down of how that whole acid/alkaline diet works, from a scienmatific perspective? Perhaps it belongs in the Friday Funnies though.
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13-Jul-2012 12:24:29 PM
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On 13/07/2012 paulmilliken wrote:
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>I don't know how it works - I visited a naturopath...........I suggest consulting a health
>professional if you want to know more.
Yes, sounds like visiting a health professional might be a good idea.
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13-Jul-2012 2:14:52 PM
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On 13/07/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>On 13/07/2012 paulmilliken wrote:
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>>I don't know how it works - I visited a naturopath...........I suggest
>consulting a health
>>professional if you want to know more.
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>Yes, sounds like visiting a health professional might be a good idea.
And try as hard as I like,
A small crack appears
In my diplomacy-dike.
"By definition", I begin
"Alternative Medicine", I continue
"Has either not been proved to work,
Or been proved not to work.
You know what they call "alternative medicine"
That's been proved to work?
Medicine.
Tim Minchin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U
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13-Jul-2012 2:41:07 PM
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Continuing tangent ....
I asked my surgeon if there was anything I could be doing to help my cartilage and bone heal - glucosamine, extra calcium or protein etc. He said decisively no glucosamine (and eat a normal balanced diet and don't take up smoking!). I didn't actually get to find out why he said no glucasamine because I got distracted by other stuff, but I'm curious ... I'm sure climbers are high consumers of glucosamine.
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13-Jul-2012 5:00:04 PM
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from Sience Based Medicine
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/glucosamine-the-unsinkable-rubber-duck/
"Glucosamine is widely used for osteoarthritis pain. It is not as impossible as homeopathy, but its rationale is improbable. As I explained in a previous post,
Wallace Sampson, one of the other authors of this blog, has pointed out that the amount of glucosamine in the typical supplement dose is on the order of 1/1000th to 1/10,000th of the available glucosamine in the body, most of which is produced by the body itself. He says, “Glucosamine is not an essential nutrient like a vitamin or an essential amino acid, for which small amounts make a large difference. How much difference could that small additional amount make? If glucosamine or chondroitin worked, this would be a medical first and worthy of a Nobel."
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