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Accident on Loboff 5/3/2011

ajfclark
7/03/2011
12:14:47 PM
Just heard that Larry had an accident on Loboff on Saturday. Took a fall on the traverse, around 4m fall + swing , upside down, into the buttress opposing it. Split open his head which bled alot, but broke his hand and ribs.

Anyone know any more?

Miguel75
7/03/2011
12:34:44 PM
Freak nasty. Hope he, and all involved are ok.

Gavo
7/03/2011
12:38:32 PM
noone else was injured, just his belayer was understandably shaken but he did everything right. He caught the fall well and called for help, though we arrived soon after and Larry was sitting up, coherent and keeping pressure on his head.

He had quite a deep cut over his left eye, and very sore and swollen hand and left SIDE of the torso (edit :D)

Im told hes in good spirits now and will be doing plenty of reading for the coming 6 or more weeks.

tnd
7/03/2011
2:37:56 PM
Helmet?

Gavo
7/03/2011
2:47:15 PM
Unfortunately not.

But he and all involved are now fervent helmet believer-inners!

gordoste
7/03/2011
8:43:27 PM
Spoke to him yesterday, he drank a lot of beer that night but woke up at 4am in a world of pain (breathing is not normally painful even if you have had a skinful). Belayer drove him to hospital and he got X-rays which showed 2 broken ribs and broken hand.

Could have easily been a lot worse.

ajfclark
7/03/2011
9:16:12 PM
Why was he drinking? I would've thought that was a bad idea with a head injury.

shortman
7/03/2011
9:28:02 PM
On 7/03/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>Why was he drinking? I would've thought that was a bad idea with a head
>injury.

Why was he drinking??? Probably 'cause he had a bad day by the sound of things.


IdratherbeclimbingM9
7/03/2011
9:32:57 PM
On 7/03/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>Just heard that Larry had an accident on Loboff on Saturday.
> Took a fall on the traverse, around 4m fall + swing , upside down, into
>the buttress opposing it. Split open his head which bled alot, but broke
>his hand and ribs.
>

Bad news.
I wish him well and a speedy recovery, but strongly suspect that the broken ribs will be debilitating for a longer period than the broken hand.
:-(

Gavo
7/03/2011
9:44:52 PM
They had plenty of beer and felt like celebrating survival I suppose. I drank with them.

Blake glued his cut on his forehead nicely and I suppose the adrenaline was still running strong because he felt obviously bad but didn't think a hospital trip was necessary.

They were gone when I woke up and as per Gordoste's post, he woke up with difficulty breathing.

I know its well and good to say one has to go to the hospital right away in such a circumstance, but Ive been in similiar kinds of situations before where I thought "Ill be right" and then as the night wears on and the body settles a little, things change a bit.

Same as M9, best wishes to him. Hope nothing keeps him too long and I hope its not something that will bother him ongoing and recurring.
rolsen1
8/03/2011
9:07:27 AM
On 7/03/2011 Gavo wrote:
>Unfortunately not.
>
>But he and all involved are now fervent helmet believer-inners!

You believe in a helmet that prevents broken wrists and ribs? Or prevents the upside down fall? Or places gear? Or all of the above?
Wendy
8/03/2011
9:19:48 AM
I probably would have done the same thing when I was 17 (just gone drinking that is) but really, the recommended first aid for a hit to the head is definitely not boozing on! It is at least quiet observation for signs of brain trauma (not the alcohol induced brain trauma!), if not straight to professional assessment. The results of an unnoticed brain injury are really rather bad.

Lesson number 2: don't bother trying to lead manky little 16s on the plaque. especially when they are near your limit and there's a lot of far safer routes to be doing. Maybe we need a helmet that makes good route choices as well.

Sabu
8/03/2011
9:29:23 AM
Ouch sorry to hear that. Met them over summer and they were pumped for their 6 month trip...
Hope its a speedy recovery. And drinking beer after a possible head injury is definitely not a good idea!
rolsen1
8/03/2011
9:41:32 AM
On 8/03/2011 davidn wrote:
>On 8/03/2011 rolsen1 wrote:
>>You believe in a helmet that prevents broken wrists and ribs? Or prevents
>>the upside down fall? Or places gear? Or all of the above?
>
>Here we go again...
>
>Tell you what, let's have a test before there's *any* further discussion
>on this point. I'll wear a helmet, and run head-first into a rock. You
>do the same without a helmet.

How about this test?

You post in 5 years time (if you're still climbing) when you have some knowledge and experience and I'll see if I take any notice of your posts then?
citationx
8/03/2011
9:41:57 AM
On 8/03/2011 rolsen1 wrote:
>On 7/03/2011 Gavo wrote:
>>Unfortunately not.
>>
>>But he and all involved are now fervent helmet believer-inners!
>
>You believe in a helmet that prevents broken wrists and ribs? Or prevents
>the upside down fall? Or places gear? Or all of the above?

Given that it was noted he hit his head on the wall and now has a deep cut above his eye, he probably has heightened awareness that it can be quite easy to hit your head (harder) even when at first glance it seems it's an impossibility...

Gavo
8/03/2011
9:53:09 AM
On 8/03/2011 rolsen1 wrote:
>You believe in a helmet that prevents broken wrists and ribs? Or prevents
>the upside down fall? Or places gear? Or all of the above?

Are you serious mate? Or is this a troll?

I dont believe the thought process here.

a) he has a massive cut above his eye that may well have needed stiches. A helmet probably would have covered this area.

b) he protected his head WITH HIS HAND so if the hand was not raised to the head in time, the head probably would have taken the impact on the rock directly. The ribs are a result of impact on the rock when the hand was lifted to protect the head, leaving the torso vulnerable.

c) Imagine you take a pendulum whipper, upside down, with a swing-arc making your travel distance some 6 or more meters, and your head impacts the rock first. Are you REALLY telling me you think a helmet is not going to do anything?

Get off it mate, I honestly dont believe your serious.

And I dont want to argue about if helmets should be necessary or not. Sometimes I dont wear mine, thats not the argument. Fact is, you take a hit to the head, you are going to be better off if you have some foam and plastic insulation between you and it. Doesnt matter what the sport is. Im not advocating the use of helmets for any and all. But the bloke involved himself has said he wishes he was wearing his helmet, as did everyone else involved.

Noones saying its magic friggin' armour that will prevent all injury and save your life no matter what happens.

Dont be ridiculous.
kieranl
8/03/2011
10:01:38 AM
Gavo, there's no point responding to rolsen1 on this; he's an anti-helmet nazi. You've had an experience and taken lessons from it, that's good.
The other lesson, as Wendy said, is to avoid crappy little climbs like Loboff that can hurt you except as fillers.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
8/03/2011
10:02:02 AM
On 8/03/2011 Gavo wrote:
>On 8/03/2011 rolsen1 wrote:
>>You believe in a helmet that prevents broken wrists and ribs? Or prevents
>>the upside down fall? Or places gear? Or all of the above?
>
>Are you serious mate? Or is this a troll?
>
>I dont believe the thought process here.
>
>a) he has a massive cut above his eye that may well have needed stiches.
>A helmet probably would have covered this area.
>
>b) he protected his head WITH HIS HAND so if the hand was not raised to
>the head in time, the head probably would have taken the impact on the
>rock directly. The ribs are a result of impact on the rock when the hand
>was lifted to protect the head, leaving the torso vulnerable.
>
>c) Imagine you take a pendulum whipper, upside down, with a swing-arc
>making your travel distance some 6 or more meters, and your head impacts
>the rock first. Are you REALLY telling me you think a helmet is not going
>to do anything?
>
>Get off it mate, I honestly dont believe your serious.
>
>And I dont want to argue about if helmets should be necessary or not.
>Sometimes I dont wear mine, thats not the argument. Fact is, you take a
>hit to the head, you are going to be better off if you have some foam and
>plastic insulation between you and it. Doesnt matter what the sport is.
>Im not advocating the use of helmets for any and all. But the bloke involved
>himself has said he wishes he was wearing his helmet, as did everyone else
>involved.
>
>Noones saying its magic friggin' armour that will prevent all injury and
>save your life no matter what happens.
>
>Dont be ridiculous.

I am glad to see you were not fired up with that response, otherwise he could have considered himself told! :-P
Where is ODH when you need him?
Heh, heh, heh.

As an aside (from thread hijack), I thought your response logical and a good second hand assessment of the likely facts!

Gavo
8/03/2011
10:08:29 AM
Ive counted to 10, I am calm now. Zen like.

I remove myself from the discussion for the moment.

Others are right though, dont feed the troll. Just cant help it sometimes. grrr.

ps thanks M9, missed the compliment :D

Pat B
8/03/2011
10:09:05 AM
My family and I were first to arrive after he fell, I watched him do the traverse thinking exactly Wendy's thoughts, then when he got the heal hook at the end I looked away thinking he'd sent the route, only to hear the thump and groans of Larry seconds later. We advised him that he needed to be checked for concussion and when he said he would be alright and would not need to go to a hospital, told his partner how to check him for concussion. Just goes to show, when you're in shock you are not capable of making good judgements and partners should take over/insist. To his credit, his partner did say he would take him to hospital straight away, but obviously was not assertive enough. Larry was a very lucky boy, as his last bit of gear was at the start of the traversing difficulties and as far as I remember it is possible to get more gear in which he overlooked. He could have hit his head much harder. Oddly ha said he had done the route before and, I think, intimated that he also fell off it then?! Not sure though.

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