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The Tower - Ground Fall

Cool Hand Lock
31/12/2006
2:31:01 PM
30/12/06 Climber fell at 'The Tower' climbing 'See the light'. From the second 'carrot' bolt. Hanger plate detatched from 'carrot'. Climber fell to ground. 9-10m approx. No.2 RP at 7m absorbed some force before 'cutting' over an edge.

Sustained head injury. Lower back injury. Heavy bruising. Climber didn't lose consciousness. But, was in significant pain.

A helicopter was used to evacuate to Ballarat Base Hospital for CAT scan and x-rays. And released 8hrs later.

andyR
1/01/2007
11:18:12 AM
That's bad news. As soon as I heard the news I thought of friends who are out there at the moment as many of us do. Glad to hear climber is not worse as this is a very significant fall. My best wishes for recovery.

richard
1/01/2007
3:40:24 PM
On 31/12/2006 Cool Hand Lock wrote:
>No.2 RP at 10m absorbed some force before 'cutting' over an edge.

Would seem to be lucky for a fall of that size, so that's good news.

Just to confirm; are you saying the rope was cut (completey) ??

And where they wearing a helmet?

Cheers, Richard

muki
1/01/2007
3:49:31 PM
>No.2 RP at 10m absorbed some force before 'cutting' over an edge.
your quote says it all.The RP cut over an edge after absorbing some of the force,not the rope.
The thing to remember is dont use wire gate runners to connect to hanger plates!.
and nest or group your small gear where possible.
wombby
1/01/2007
4:58:45 PM
Lock or Bomber,
So was the climber in question using wire gates? Just like to clarify that point if I may -
Hope he/she is OK
Thanks.

muki
1/01/2007
5:18:20 PM
yes it was a wire gate and , thankfully he will make a full recovery
Tuscy
1/01/2007
9:15:25 PM
Why the carot? FFA was in 2004.

Cool Hand Lock
1/01/2007
9:27:03 PM
Because carrots are part of the heritage. Like horselay rope, swame seats, body belays, machine nuts and hob nail boots.

dougal
2/01/2007
12:24:54 PM
Cheap n Nasty?

muki
2/01/2007
1:52:51 PM
some people think that if they are replacing old with new, then make it look like the old shit they pulled
out! hence the stainless glue in carot bolt!.what a piece of shit
but really this is just a joke, people we are definitely in the new millenium, why not keep pace with all
the safety advances made since we all started climbing rocks.
We don't hip belay any more,we don't use layed rope,we don't climb in hobnail boots,
So why place a carot.
Nobody else in the world does, not even in the blueys, its all fixed hangers, its still a bolt, just a good
one not a yesteryear imitation.
oh and I dont want to hear that it best suits the character of the climb,or some clap trap about
ambience.
The climbs character comes from the position the climbing moves and the protection,end of story
if the protection is crapy then it degrades the experience, not the other way around.
overseas the whole bolt plate thing is a bit of a joke, but the jokes on you, in the early days it was
cheap to file a bolt down an bang it in with a hammer, they didnt have much else in the way of a
choice, but today there is no excuse for this lapse in judgment.
Place good gear, the correct gear, or dont place anything at all. the bomb

gordoste
2/01/2007
2:32:14 PM
there is still a place for carrots in places where hangers would be obviously visible to tourists (some parts of buffalo spring to mind)... not sure if that applies here, but just making a point.

muki
2/01/2007
2:49:02 PM
Are the climbers who are clipping these carrots less visible to the tourists than the carrots themselves.
fail to see your point
Bob Saki
2/01/2007
2:57:51 PM
Fair enough but whilst not being climbed the visual impact climbers leave on the rock is less obvious with a carrot than a Ring or FH
dalai
2/01/2007
3:17:30 PM
On 2/01/2007 bomber pro wrote:
>Are the climbers who are clipping these carrots less visible to the tourists
>than the carrots themselves.
>fail to see your point

Because people in general are fine with seeing people climbing rocks in National Parks but are not too happy with seeing steel stuck out of cliffs even whilst standing at the lookouts...

Back on topic - I hope the climber in question has a full and speedy recovery!

skink
2/01/2007
3:17:45 PM
So where visibility is an issue, how about hangers and bolt-heads painted or otherwise camouflaged - maybe mix rock dust from drilling the hole with resin and daub on the whole deal once the bolt and hanger are installed?

Anyone seen this or had experience doing it?
dalai
2/01/2007
3:25:25 PM
Safer Cliffs Victoria have done this to ring bolts.

http://www.safercliffs.org/code/tips.html

Breezy
2/01/2007
3:50:46 PM
On 2/01/2007 bomber pro wrote:
>Are the climbers who are clipping these carrots less visible to the tourists
>than the carrots themselves.
>fail to see your point

the climber is not there permanently.

muki
2/01/2007
3:58:53 PM
On 2/01/2007 andesite wrote
how about hangers and bolt-heads painted or otherwise camouflaged

I do this with all my fixed hangers and they are a mix of one base layer, that matches the rock colour,
then a splash coat to mix it up even more, this is fine for hiding them from view of all but the people who
are on the face about to clip them. how many have you done like this lama. the hangers Ive seen on the
climbes you equiped don't seem to have any kind of camouflaging at all, whats up with that.
Oh thats right
do as I say, not as I do!
dalai
2/01/2007
4:13:53 PM
On 2/01/2007 bomber pro wrote:
>the hangers Ive seen on the
>climbes you equiped don't seem to have any kind of camouflaging at all,
>whats up with that.
> Oh thats right
> do as I say, not as I do!

Please feel free to explain where I have said that you should camouflage?

muki
2/01/2007
5:07:28 PM
On 2/01/2007 dalai wrote:
"explain where I have said that you need to camouflage"

"not too happy with seeing steel stuck out of cliffs even whilst standing at the lookouts"

so your implying that they can see them

if camouflaged they would'nt see them in the first place ,just the steel sticking out of the lookouts ie the
safety fence.

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