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1 x belay for Indoor / outdoor - (non vcc thread)
egosan
22/02/2010
12:34:31 PM
"Man's got to know his limitations."
Wendy
22/02/2010
12:56:17 PM
On 22/02/2010 dmnz wrote:
>people should go read some of the classic mountaineering texts and see
>how some of these guys got to do their first leads.
>
>>>
Just because some people lived to tell the tale of their experiences doesn't mean we need to inflict them on others! One of the things I appreciate about climbing these days is that the establishment of industry standards have meant that these stories are fewer and further between. The existance of standards and increasing numbers of people who have learnt according to them means that the information is spreading throughout the community and you are more likely to find someone who will be competant at getting you started. Despite all the fun I had at AUMC, it was well before industry standards were established in Oz and liability had lead club to consider them, and I wouldn't ever consider teaching in the way I was taught.
Wendy
22/02/2010
1:06:57 PM
On 22/02/2010 Paul wrote:

>
>Unless you are lead soloing it is more than just being responcible for
>your self, what about your belayer / second? It is probable more about
>being responsible for others if anything, your second needs to be able
>to trust your belaying, your anchors and if they are of lesser experience
>that you can get them out of trouble.
>
>

On this note, I though I might share a little story that happened to a friend of mine many many years ago. He was relatively new to climbing and met up with another guy and girl in the pines and headed out to do Arachnus. The other guy lead the first pitch and belayed my friend (lets call him X) up. His gear hadn't been that flash, but X didn't think to check his belay and sat back whilst the guy belayed the other girl up. She fell off. The guy was pulled forward onto his first bit of gear, which popped. Then his 2nd popped. X didn't wait to see what would happen with the 3rd piece and grabbed the back of his harness with one hand and the rock with the other. The girl meanwhile called up in a panic as she had just dropped a metre or so in the process and X calmly says it's all ok, but she could just get back on the rock for a moment and bunged some gear of his own in. He then insisted on leading the rest of the route and declined to climb with the guy again.
dmnz
22/02/2010
1:34:39 PM
clubs are one source
guides are another (more expensive source)
friends are one more source

i know which one i choose

stop bashing those who dont want to join a club!
egosan
22/02/2010
1:42:44 PM
On 22/02/2010 dmnz wrote:
>stop bashing those who dont want to join a club!

Who is bashing? Point me at the bastard and I will
let him or her have it. It is of the utmost importance
that we have an open discussion and keep ad hominems
to a minimum.

Cheers,
Sol

kuu
22/02/2010
1:56:38 PM
On 22/02/2010 dmnz wrote:
>clubs are one source
>guides are another (more expensive source)
>friends are one more source
>
>i know which one i choose
>
>stop bashing those who dont want to join a club!

At the risk of inviting a torrent of abuse and unhelpful statements I would like to see constructive
comments from people who choose not to join a club outlining their reasons and/or concerns. (That is,
beyond the shallow complaint 'they'll make me wear a helmet' kind of thing!) It might enable clubs to
modify their approach and relate better to the wider climbing community. I suspect that no club has in
its charter the idea of alienating sections of said community.
dmnz
22/02/2010
2:23:22 PM
if you decide not to go on a club trip because you have to wear a helmet its prob cos you dont have much to protect

IdratherbeclimbingM9
22/02/2010
2:37:19 PM
On 22/02/2010 kuu wrote:
>I would like to see constructive comments from people who choose not to join a club outlining their reasons and/or concerns.
(snip)
>It might enable clubs to modify their approach and relate better to the wider climbing community.

Some people (especially if on a budget), like to see themselves getting reasonable value for their membership fee. Most of the activities run by larger clubs are capital city eccentric, and for people at a distance from those centres many of the club run activities are too far away to attend on a regular basis.

Some people take up climbing as an anarchistic expression of their personality? ... The last thing they want is to be subjected to any regimentation, perceived or otherwise! For such people I suspect that their need to 'belong' is less of a motivation than any need for partners, or concern they may have about tuition.

Perhaps if clubs had a multi-tiered membership fee (like existing single and family rates?), for those at a distance to cover basics like club magazine and basic insurance premium(?) that club pays per member(??), then their membership numbers may increase?

At the end of the day clubs are a collection of people.
People have habits that either resonate with, or alienate, other people.
... Just like on Chockstone?
Heh, heh, heh.
egosan
22/02/2010
2:39:35 PM
On 22/02/2010 kuu wrote:

>I would like to see constructive comments
>from people who choose not to join a club
>outlining their reasons and/or concerns. (That is,
>beyond the shallow complaint 'they'll make me
>wear a helmet' kind of thing!)

Y'er dreamin' mate. Easier to stay dry peein' into
the wind, than to make sense on chocky.

wallwombat
22/02/2010
2:44:00 PM
I've never been a member of a club but last year joined the Canberra Climbers Association. I'm yet to show up at any meeting or event but intend to turn up to one of their upcoming Into Days at Booroomba, to lend a hand. I think it's good to occasionally give a bit back to the climbing community and I reckon leading a keen beginner up Possum or Sunstroke and showing them a few things, is as good a way as any.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
22/02/2010
2:45:54 PM
On 21/02/2010 simey wrote:
>>>From my experience and understanding, I think that is a pretty accurate
>>>assessment of those particular clubs.

On 21/02/2010 k wrote:
>>I didn't know you'd cottoned on to the opportunities presented by RMIT
>>outdoors club beginner trips to araps, Simey.
>>
On 21/02/2010 dalai wrote:
>You hadn't noticed that Simey was on chockstone less and when posting
>was not as grumpy coincided when the uni clubs had their trips to Araps?
>;-)

~> Bring on more uni trips to the Araps I say!
;-)

kuu
22/02/2010
2:47:56 PM
On 22/02/2010 dmnz wrote:
>if you decide not to go on a club trip because you have to wear a helmet
>its prob cos you dont have much to protect

Well perhaps. But some people may have other reasons and that's what I was hoping to ascertain.

I accept that there are those who, for personal and legitimate reasons, shun group activities and I have
sympathy for this position. But I am interested in hearing the views of people who might have considered
associating with a club yet for some (any) reason chose not to do so. It's quite possible (some of) those
concerns could be addressed.

ajfclark
22/02/2010
2:55:12 PM
There's some previous thoughts on this topic here specific to joining/not joining the VCC...
dmnz
22/02/2010
3:52:26 PM
On 22/02/2010 kuu wrote:
>
>I accept that there are those who, for personal and legitimate reasons,
>shun group activities and I have
>sympathy for this position. But I am interested in hearing the views of
>people who might have considered
>associating with a club yet for some (any) reason chose not to do so.

That first one is prob a good reason and what M9 said about not needing and sometimes not wanting to 'belong'

An interesting poll for club members (Esp among the new vs the old) would be the amount of club things they actually take part in. The clubs are just an official 'in group' that are officially recognised.

ajfclark
22/02/2010
4:27:01 PM
On 22/02/2010 dmnz wrote:
>An interesting poll for club members (Esp among the new vs the old) would be the amount of club things they actually take part in. The clubs are just an official 'in group' that are officially recognised.

There are reasons to be part of a club besides club activities. One of the main reasons I joined the VCC was to support the Access Officer in their role as a conduit between the climbing community at large, land holders (such as parks) and other parties.

I think having someone in this role is very important, and I think the recent Cataract Gorge incident is indicative of what can happen when there isn't. Who was the council supposed to contact or consult with prior to their action?

Sarah Gara
22/02/2010
6:31:38 PM
On 22/02/2010 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:

>
>Some people (especially if on a budget), like to see themselves getting
>reasonable value for their membership fee. Most of the activities run by
>larger clubs are capital city eccentric, and for people at a distance from
>those centres many of the club run activities are too far away to attend
>on a regular basis.
>

it's bloody $66 dollars a year to join the VCC that's nothing - I don't live in the city and do get a bit miffed I can't go to some of the social funtions but the cliff care thing is what made me join and climbing partners. But I still meet up with them probably about once a month. and it's not as if it's really expensive.
x
k
22/02/2010
9:22:14 PM
On 22/02/2010 dmnz wrote:

>what M9 said about not needing
>and sometimes not wanting to 'belong'

Forget about needing to belong. It seems that there is an awful lot of needing not to belong expressed on this thread. So many individuals doing things their own way, just like everyone else. Yawn.
Wendy
22/02/2010
9:26:12 PM
On 22/02/2010 k wrote:
>On 22/02/2010 dmnz wrote:
>
>>what M9 said about not needing
>>and sometimes not wanting to 'belong'
>
>Forget about needing to belong. It seems that there is an awful lot of
>needing not to belong expressed on this thread. So many individuals doing
>things their own way, just like everyone else. Yawn.

Except for needing that special someone to belay. It's all becoming a bit like an internet dating service around here.
k
22/02/2010
9:28:40 PM
On 22/02/2010 Wendy wrote:
>Except for needing that special someone to belay. It's all becoming a
>bit like an internet dating service around here.

Maybe that's where bridh honed his skillz.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
24/02/2010
10:51:47 AM
>On 22/02/2010 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>
>>
>>Some people (especially if on a budget), like to see themselves getting
>>reasonable value for their membership fee. Most of the activities run
>by
>>larger clubs are capital city eccentric, and for people at a distance
>from
>>those centres many of the club run activities are too far away to attend
>>on a regular basis.
>>
On 22/02/2010 Sarah Gara replied:
>it's bloody $66 dollars a year to join the VCC that's nothing - I don't
>live in the city and do get a bit miffed I can't go to some of the social
>funtions but the cliff care thing is what made me join and climbing partners.
> But I still meet up with them probably about once a month. and it's not
>as if it's really expensive.
>x

From a general angle I agree, however if I was a country based young person on a budget, in a part of the state where VCC does not run many trips to, I would seriously consider spending my limited $ on equipment, or petrol to get to the climbing areas (where partners can be found?) instead.

Supporting Cliff Care and access issues, is not precluded by not being in a club, though if nothing else is done, joining the VCC for that reason alone is certainly valid.

Back to o.p.
I doubt bridh is missing out on too much by not wanting to join a club if he is mainly interested in being a casual climber / weekend warrior. It never ceases to amaze me, how many people make quite dramatic progress within short timeframes in climbing experience, if they are sufficiently motivated, and get out there and actually do it, and we would have to admit that his post of;
> Call 0423065743 or pm if you climb often and need someone to belay.
certainly indicates his motivated attempt to do so!

Having said the above, I still regard the social aspect of climbing as one of it's 'plus' features, and clubs can fulfill that role quite well.


x (for SG!)

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