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Off topic: Rally for Tibet

billk
25/03/2008
5:54:13 PM
On Friday 28 March, prayer vigils will take place at two locations.

Outside the Chinese Consulate

EVENT: Silent vigil and prayers

TIME: 10.00am - 11.00am

ADDRESS: 75-77 Irving St, Toorak

In Federation Square

EVENT: Prayers and guest speakers

TIME: 12.30pm

ADDRESS: Corner of Swanston & Flinders Sts, Melbourne

Venerable Geshe Doga, Ven. Geshe Sonam Thargye and Ven. Kunchog
Tsering will lead the prayers and have issued this invitation:

* We ask as many Tibetan Buddhist Sangha as possible to join us.

* We ask students of these Sangha and members of their centres to
join us.

* We ask Sangha and members of other Buddhist Centres – Tibetan,
Sri Lankan, Thai, Vietnamese, Burmese etc – together with their
friends, to join us.

* We ask the Tibetan community to join us.

* We ask the Chinese community to join us.

Everyone who cares about freedom and justice for Tibet is invited to
attend.

This will be a peaceful demonstration. Please join fellow Tibet
supporters at one or both of the venues.

Kind regards,

Alison Ribush

ATC Victorian Branch

atcvic@atc.org.au
dalai
25/03/2008
6:35:23 PM
Thanks for the information Billk. More people would come if they had organised this on a weekend...

SwineOfTheTimes
25/03/2008
6:52:00 PM
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8426

IdratherbeclimbingM9
26/03/2008
8:19:24 AM
The link gives my computer a response of;

>Article not available.


??
dalai
26/03/2008
9:39:14 AM
Suggested link that the Dalai Lama gets funding from the CIA amongst other things...

IdratherbeclimbingM9
26/03/2008
9:46:25 AM
Oh, is that all.
I thought this was common knowledge*




(*in China! ... since they accuse him of causing all the trouble etc)

heh, heh, heh.


~> Will also be interesting to see how the torch procession over Chomo Lungma/Everest fairs now that it is becoming the symbol of Chinese repression in Tibet and countries like France are tacitly voicing potential Olympic Boycott.

billk
26/03/2008
2:50:44 PM
On 26/03/2008 dalai wrote:
>Suggested link that the Dalai Lama gets funding from the CIA amongst other
>things...

The original Tibetan uprising in 1959 had support from the CIA as I understand it. I suspect people who think the Tibetan resistance is currently driven by the CIA tend to see the hand of the United States behind everything that happens in the world. The reality is that the United States and any other major power you care to name has been busily appeasing China over Tibet pretty much ever since 1959.

billk
26/03/2008
2:54:21 PM
On 25/03/2008 dalai wrote:
>Thanks for the information Billk. More people would come if they had organised
>this on a weekend...

I think there will be quite a few events over the next few months.

If people are happy with this off-topic thread continuing, I will keep posting details about up-coming events.

Otherwise you can check out the Australia Tibet Council webpage:
http://www.atc.org.au/

Eduardo Slabofvic
26/03/2008
4:05:56 PM
On 26/03/2008 dalai wrote:
>Suggested link that the Dalai Lama gets funding from the CIA amongst other
>things...

I don't know what I find more shocking, that the CIA funds an orgainsation that is anti-communist in some
way, or that you can find an article on the web that points to a conspiracy.
gfdonc
26/03/2008
4:51:49 PM
On 26/03/2008 billk wrote:
>If people are happy with this off-topic thread continuing, I will keep
>posting details about up-coming events.

No. This is a climbing forum. I appreciate you have an interest outside climbing, but there are other forums around for this stuff.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
26/03/2008
4:57:01 PM
It has been clearly identified as off topic, so I don't have a problem with it.

Like the cars, motorcycles, and more recently real estate and dogs type threads, etc it will slip away quietly; ... apart from the odd resurrection(?) due to sooner or later it will morph/come back to specifics of Chinese on Everest, etc.

One can always hide the topic if they are not interested ...


:)

:)
dalai
26/03/2008
5:59:32 PM
On 26/03/2008 gfdonc wrote:
>On 26/03/2008 billk wrote:
>>If people are happy with this off-topic thread continuing, I will keep
>>posting details about up-coming events.
>
>No. This is a climbing forum. I appreciate you have an interest outside
>climbing, but there are other forums around for this stuff.

There is climbing in Tibet, people have climbed in Tibet, some people are concerned about the Tibetan people, some of which are Sherpas that go on climbing expeditions with those people that have climbed in Tibet...




billk
27/03/2008
1:55:20 PM
Off-topic no longer:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/cloud-of-uncertainty-over-everest-climbing-season/2008/03/27/1206207256563.html

Climbers hoping to scale Mount Everest are uncertain of being allowed near the peak this season, with the north side in Tibet closed and Nepal expected to also impose restrictions, mountaineers said today.

Fears that the world's highest peak may be closed off altogether come as China prepares to put the Olympic torch on the summit and seeks to avoid any embarrassing protests following a wave of unrest in Tibet.

Major expeditions planning to scale the summit from the north - the route China will use to carry the torch to the roof of the world - have already been cancelled after failing to secure permits from Beijing.

Furthermore, China has banned foreigners from Tibet until further notice following a wave of protests and rioting.

Authorities in Nepal, reportedly under pressure from China to keep the mountain clear from their side, are also holding back from issuing permits.

"We are very worried and confused as we have not yet received any concrete decision from the government," said expedition organiser Ishwori Poudel.

Officials in Kathmandu, the nerve centre of Himalayan climbing, said Nepal's government could still allow climbs from the south side of the peak - albeit with a slew of restrictions that would satisfy China's concerns.

gfdonc
27/03/2008
2:46:05 PM
On 26/03/2008 dalai wrote:
>There is climbing in Tibet, people have climbed in Tibet, some people
>are concerned about the Tibetan people, some of which are Sherpas that
>go on climbing expeditions with those people that have climbed in Tibet...

If you follow that logic no topic is off limits. Dogs. French language. German cuisine. Cameras & photography. Life and Times of Ansel Adams. Episodes of Grizzly Adams ...
Just doing my bit to keep the whole thing sensible for all.

M9 spoke with wisdom as always. Bye for now.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
27/03/2008
3:54:40 PM
... don't know about wisdom; and this post could bear that out ~>



This could be the year for another record set on Everest.

... The most unofficial ascents ever in the one season!

If I was assigned duties as a torch bearer up there, I'd figure on having more to worry about than Yetis.

I wonder if they will contract Simon Yates to assist in looking after their fixed lines?

(Heh, heh, heh).

evanbb
27/03/2008
4:23:18 PM
Trying not to be inflamatory here, but you never know. Reading I've done suggests that a lot of people (many Tibetans among them) consider that China's occupation has been a very good thing for the country. All sorts of indicators; infant mortality, prosperity, life expectancy etc, have improved out of sight since the invasion. But, there is clearly some evidence of religious oppression, which is clearly a bad thing (despite my being opposed to all forms of religion).

So, being devil's advocate: Why should we support this? Why Free Tibet?

One article in paticular, an interview with Tibetans, suggested that people in Tibet aren't too upset about China, and that most agitation is coming from outside the borders, from people who have never been there, let alone lived there. Why should we join in?

billk
27/03/2008
6:30:32 PM
That's not being inflammatory; those are exactlythe sorts of questions that should be asked.

When you are talking about a 50 year occupation, you are talking about a period in which there have been huge increases in life expectancy in just about every country, including China. The same can be said for economic indicators. However, the experience in Tibet is that prosperity has come much more to Han Chinese settlers than the Tibetans themselves. The Tibetans have had their traditional economy uprooted and have been denied a fair share of the new one. This experience of relative economic deprivation, along with the destruction of their culture (which has Buddhism at its core) leads the vast majority of Tibetans to conclude that the benefits of Chinese occupation are far outweighed by the negatives.

There was a piece by John Powers, from the Politics Dept at ANU, in the Age about a week ago, describing all this in more detail.

http://asianstudies.anu.edu.au/weblog/index.php?/archives/172-Dr-John-Powers-on-events-in-Tibet.html

If the Tibetans remaining in Tibet aren't too upset about the occupation why won't the Chinese authorities allow free travel within the country? I haven't heard any reports that they are upset about Westerners visiting on the limited occasions any get in there.

BTW: Eric Campbell's book "Absurdistan" has a blackly humorous chapter on his visit to Tibet.

billk
21/04/2008
12:17:12 PM
Nepal: Everest pro-Tibet protesters may be shot

KATHMANDU, Nepal (CNN) -- Nepal has given its security personnel permission to shoot pro-Tibet demonstrators during China's Olympic flame climb to Mount Everest's summit early next month.

"About 25 soldiers and policemen have established camps on the mountain and they have been ordered to use force if necessary to stop any anti-Chinese activities," Mod Raj Dotel, spokesman for the home ministry, said Sunday. "This could mean shooting if necessary."

Security personnel will also check mountain climbers for non-essential expedition materials, Dotel added.

"If anyone is found with anti-Chinese material their permit will be canceled and returned from the mountain," he said.

Chinese climbers plan to take the Olympic flame to the top of the world's highest peak, at 8,848 meters (29,028 feet) as part of the global relay leading up to the August 8 opening of the Summer Olympics in Beijing.

Spring is the most popular season for climbing Mount Everest, which straddles the border between Nepal and Tibet, an autonomous region of China.

The Nepali government has granted permits to dozens of climbers from 30 expeditions this season.

But between May 1 and May 10, climbers are barred from going above 6,400 meters until the torch run is completed. China plans to take the Olympic flame to the summit sometime then.

Harsh weather conditions allow only about two opportunities in May for a push to the summit.

The Chinese have not allowed any expedition to climb the mountain from the north side, according the Kathmandu representative of the Tibet China Mountaineering Association.

widewetandslippery
21/04/2008
12:47:48 PM
The chinese government and our national parks seem to be aligned puting political agenda ahead of freedom, but that is what governments and people who claim rights of ethnicity and religion do.

Sabu
21/04/2008
12:49:36 PM
This is going to be a disaster.... Everest is a bitch at the best of times, let alone when trying to summit with the weight of your country bearing down on you. And whos knows how many protestors are going to be seriously messed up in the region?

At least the torch thug guards can't do jack in Canberra.

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