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StuckNut

2-Mar-2011
12:54:48 PM

I might be keen if you are stuck for numbers.

Wendy

2-Mar-2011
12:56:55 PM

Keen on poise, depends or tena?

tskinner

2-Mar-2011
1:02:26 PM

On 2/03/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>Poise is a freshness thing apparently while Depends copes with more volume.
> Maybe Tena?

Ok..Depends it is. Eduardo.....

Thats enough from me for thread hijack. That's what happens when I am supposed to be working and I read Eduardos comments or ajfclarks links. It's always downhill from then. I just realized the last two threads I have commented on got responses from me about poo and wee. It's really downhill....
I'm gone now.

Back to Learning to Lead. Great idea

widewetandslippery

2-Mar-2011
1:02:43 PM

On 2/03/2011 Eduardo Slabofvic. wrote:
>On 2/03/2011 widewetandslippery wrote:
>> because professional guides from the blue mountains
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
>
> ...... oops, I've wet myself.

Depends(c)

widewetandslippery

2-Mar-2011
1:04:23 PM

Climbing is all about shiting yourself or pissing yourself laughing.

widewetandslippery

2-Mar-2011
1:11:22 PM

On 2/03/2011 tskinner wrote:
>
That's what happens when I am
> It's always downhill from then. I just realized the last two threads I
>have commented on got responses from me about poo and wee. It's really
>downhill....

Well its not downhill if you're trying to pee over the wall into the girls dunnys.


Eduardo Slabofvic

2-Mar-2011
1:25:35 PM

On 2/03/2011 tskinner wrote:
>I just realized the last two threads I have commented on got responses from me about poo and wee.

Tee hee hee. She said "poo" and "wee"

tskinner

2-Mar-2011
2:16:18 PM

On 2/03/2011 Eduardo Slabofvic. wrote:
>On 2/03/2011 tskinner wrote:
>>I just realized the last two threads I have commented on got responses
>from me about poo and wee.
>
>
>Tee hee hee. She said "poo" and "wee"

I am a mother - it's part of my vocabulary. Actually, it's just because I'm trying to be an adult Eduardo and show a little poise.....

gfdonc

2-Mar-2011
2:31:12 PM

Tee hee hee. "Poise" got used twice in the same thread. Tee hee.

One Day Hero

2-Mar-2011
11:50:13 PM

Wait a second, the VCC charges $600 to teach people to lead?!?! I thought they were a non-profit club?

In that case, you'd definitely be better learning from Louise or Simey or one of the other Nati "professionals", rather than the utter shankers of the VCC!

Bit of a tricky one on the numbers, I think 4 days with 4 people would still be better than 2 days with 2 people. Make sure that you organise to start early. You'll be more likely to squeeze extra time out of the guide, or at least have them leave you a bit of rack to practice building belays for the next day.


Gavo

3-Mar-2011
9:01:40 AM

The VCC get a discount rate from a guide/instructor.

So he gives 6 days of instruction at around $100 per day.

Im pretty sure the VCC see no profit from it. It goes to the guide, who is working cheaper than he usually does.

I think thats how it works.


vcc

3-Mar-2011
9:10:50 AM

On 3/03/2011 Gavo wrote:
>The VCC get a discount rate from a guide/instructor.
>
>So he gives 6 days of instruction at around $100 per day.
>
>Im pretty sure the VCC see no profit from it. It goes to the guide, who
>is working cheaper than he usually does.
>
>I think thats how it works.

Yep, that's how it works. Ramon also employs some of the Nati professionals such as Louise to teach the group. We just basically organize it so it's easy for members to do.

simey

3-Mar-2011
10:42:49 AM

On 2/03/2011 One Day Hero wrote:
>In that case, you'd definitely be better learning from Louise or Simey or one of the other Nati "professionals", rather than the utter shankers of the VCC!

Well I learnt to climb with the utter shankers of the VCC, so I would simply be passing on their wisdom!

>Bit of a tricky one on the numbers, I think 4 days with 4 people would still be better than 2 days with 2 people. Make sure that you organise to start early. You'll be more likely to squeeze extra time out of the guide, or at least have them leave you a bit of rack to practice building belays for the next day.

ODH is probably right in suggesting you will get more value out of 4 days with people rather than 2 days with 2 people. However there will be more dicking around with 4 people, particularly if the group vary a lot in ability.

I love to teaching leading with a 1:2 ratio. It is even better than a 1:1 ratio as it allows each participant to take a breather and watch the other person in action without being subject to information overload. A 1:2 ratio means that each participant receives tuition and gets to do climbs that are ideally suited to them, instead of being compromised by the rest of the group.

A 1:4 ratio means that you would split into two teams of two and the guide would be jumping back and forth between each group giving feedback. It works okay on very short, easy climbs at places like Bushranger Bluff, but it becomes a bit difficult when you want to go further afield. It limits the opportunities for doing multi-pitch routes.

Keep in mind that if members of the group have done no outdoor climbing then they will need to second a few pitches, remove protection and do one or two abseils before they even think about leading. That in itself is going to kill the best part of a day or more.


Gavo

3-Mar-2011
10:45:39 AM

and try to keep the numbers even so the instructor doesnt have to play partner to the odd-one-out. Works better in even numbers


malicine

3-Mar-2011
6:04:46 PM

On 2/03/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>Out of interest, why not the VCC learn to lead course? Is it just because
>it runs on 6 consecutive days so you need to take time off work?

I'd prefer the VCC course but 6 days off is almost impossible for me.
That being said, April 2 - 7 may happen.

Either way, if it gets me leading well I don't care.
If that means someone on a forum has to loose their sh1t so be it.

Veans

7-Mar-2011
1:12:36 PM

Hi thanks everyone for all the advice! The company I am thinking of is Arapiles Climbing Guides (www.arapiles.com.au). Is anyone knows of any other better company or any guides in the company that is good, please let me know!

For the ones that are interested, could you please send me a PM with the following information:

Your e-mail address
Your level of experience
Your perfered dates

As for me, I have been climbing on and off for about 8 years, and can second up to about 18. In terms of dates, I am thinking of 19-20 March. We can see how we go for that weekend, practice for a couple of weeks, then maybe do the second part, if needed, on 9-10 April.

The prices are as follows:
$175 per person per day if it's a group of 2 people
$135 per person per day if it's a group of 3 people
$100 per person per day if it's a group of 4 people

I will collect money at the time of booking. All refund or additonal money required due to someone's cancellation will be accroding to the company's cancellation policy.

looking forward to it!!

cheers
Chen

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