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rod

28-Oct-2007
7:38:41 PM

Good TR Zumogugo, I'm stoked on your stoke!

Simey's response is bang on: there's only so much you can gain by listening and observing, you've got to get on the front end to really understand.


GravityHound

29-Oct-2007
12:57:35 PM

I cant remember/find the thread (so I hope it existed and isnt some bizzare dream i had) but there was one a while ago (not the recent one) where a lot of people said they first started trad by throwing themselves on a cliff and just doing it. most also said it was one of the dumbest things they have done in their life.

so telling someone else not to do it is a bit of "do as I say not as I do" but in the end it is up to the individual to consider all the info been given to them and make up their own mind. theyre teh ones who will pay consequences of their actions and decisions. so Zumo, great to see you out there having a go, learning, having fun, but if the sh!t hits the fan you cant say you weren't warned.


Eduardo Slabofvic

29-Oct-2007
1:10:23 PM

Talent develops in tranquillity, whilst character develops in the full stream of life.


evanbb

29-Oct-2007
1:14:05 PM

On 29/10/2007 Eduardo Slabofvic wrote:
>Talent develops in tranquillity, whilst character develops in the full
>stream of life.

Nice one, and I agree. Add it to the Quotes thread...

You do learn a LOT faster at the sharp end, particularly about how to climb delicately, but it can be dangerous. There was a thread a little while ago about how to push trad a bit, again by Simey, that stated "just place as much gear as you can". So, lead anything you want in my opinion, just place lots of good gear. Simple. If the gear's no good, leave your ego at home and bail as safely as possible.


jkane

29-Oct-2007
2:30:31 PM

The method of learning sounds fairly similar to the way I was tought to lead by a commercial guiding company. You do cast a bit of doubt over the experience of your partner in your report though! It's good to get beta on your placements from someone with a lot of real experience when you are learning. Some good advice that was given to me was not to try to push through the grades quickly (it's my favourite excuse for not climbing harder).

The comments about seconding as much as possible and taking stock of what the leader has done while you are removing the gear are also very valid. It's not only the individual placement but considering other factors such as the direction of forces and rope drag etc.

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