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Crag & Route Beta

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The Ravine - new Gramps mid grade sport crag.

nmonteith
11/11/2008
12:34:45 PM
On 11/11/2008 pedro22 wrote:
>>2) no new routes
>
>Rationale being wot ??

No more bolts, no more cleaning of rock, no more new tracks.

Eduardo Slabofvic
11/11/2008
12:56:03 PM
I'm glad I was sitting down when I read that last post!

nmonteith
11/11/2008
12:59:28 PM
... at The Ravine. :-)

... in the Bluies however....
pedro22
11/11/2008
2:33:23 PM
On 11/11/2008 nmonteith wrote:

>No more bolts, no more cleaning of rock ...

Rationale being wot ??
Wendy
11/11/2008
9:49:51 PM
On 11/11/2008 nmonteith wrote:
>I have heard even more whispers about problems with this area and local
>farmers. Let's try and make the powers that be a bit happier by...
>
>1) limiting the numbers of climbers in a group (no more than 5?) No uni
>clubs, VCC trips etc.
>2) no new routes
>3) no toilet activities anywhere near the crag itself (and bury your paper!)
>4) car pool to avoid making the road worse
>5) being courteous to any non-climbers in the area
>6) taking out any rubbish you find (even if it isn't yours)
>
>Please spread the word...
>

At least the last 4 of these sound like they should be standard practices anywhere.

I haven't actually gone to this cliff yet because it seems to have been Burke St Mall out there. It sounds like it's been subject to a promotional campaign slightly beyond it's capacity and it'll be hard to back out of that now. It's a bit like PV asking groups in particular but people in general not to camp at the araps. The groups felt unfairly picked on and most people chose to stay there anyway.

But for future information, what is it that Parks and locals are actually objecting to? Is this likely to be an issue with all easy sport crags because they attract traffic? Wasn't the SunDeck area subject to complaints as well? Are there any complaints about the other crags in the area?

nmonteith
12/11/2008
9:55:24 AM
On 11/11/2008 Wendy wrote:
>At least the last 4 of these sound like they should be standard practices
>anywhere.

I agree, but the fact is that all of these have occurred already. Much of it is just laziness or inexperience. I imagine many in the 'groups' that visited may have little outdoor climbing experience. You may take it for granted these days, but you are a Nati hippy who has climbed for more than a decade! Spell it out in big bold letters and no-one can argue I reckon.

>I haven't actually gone to this cliff yet because it seems to have been
>Burke St Mall out there. It sounds like it's been subject to a promotional
>campaign slightly beyond it's capacity and it'll be hard to back out of
>that now.

I don't think this crag has had more promo campaigns than many other new crags recently, I just think it must fit into a missing 'niche' in the Vic climbing scene. A crag of easy sport routes has always been missing, there is only a handful in the Gramps (Red Rocks, Sundeck, Tribute - all these areas are few and far apart). Other States and overseas places have them (Kangaroo Point in Brisbane, Hundreds in Sydney etc). Popularity is generally fueled by a need.

>But for future information, what is it that Parks and locals are actually
>objecting to?

The basic gist of the problem is that a bunch of bushwalking locals have been visiting the area over the last twenty+ years, and it was considered their own little secret area (inside the national park). When climbers discovered it suddenly their piece of tranquil paradise has been interrupted and they have to share with a larger user group. Obviously the bolts, chalk and tracks have been a bit of a shock to them when they returned. When I first visited the area there was little signs of human presence, but there was a hell of a lot of introduced weeds choking the gullies and along the cliff base. Some of these have been removed to make more open belay areas, so i guess it doesn't look so 'green' anymore.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
12/11/2008
10:05:59 AM
nmonteith wrote;
>Spell it out in big bold letters and no-one can argue I reckon.

... unless it is posted on Chockstone?

Heh, heh, heh.

kev
19/11/2008
3:53:17 PM
Hey Neil - any update on the access issue concerning the Ravine (climbers vs locals/bushwalkers)? Or just business-as-usual and keep a low profile?

nmonteith
19/11/2008
4:28:06 PM
no news. low profile (or no profile) suggested.
Scotty A
5/01/2009
1:46:01 PM
Hey,
Anyone know the link to the guide for the Ravine? The link on the first post doesn't work.
Cheers

nmonteith
5/01/2009
1:51:11 PM
http://www.climb.org.au/index.php?page_id=10&action=area&area_id=1189
tgiblin50
2/02/2009
3:10:23 PM
Just a quick message to say thankyou to the people involved with the ravine. Had a great 2 days
climbing there. Having never lead outdoors it was great having a nice range of easy routes to gain
confidence on.
Cheers also to the group who walked us through re threading our rope so we could descend off the top
ringbolts. Most likely saved us from leaving a bounty to gear at the crag

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