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Crag & Route Beta

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Grampians road and campground closures
kieranl
6/04/2011
10:53:33 AM
According to the Parks info closures include :"All walks in the ... Victoria range" and all "remote overnight hikes in the Grampians national park ( including the... Fortress".
make of that what you will.
chalkischeap
6/04/2011
6:25:00 PM
On 6/04/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>Council employees do (and they don't even have to leave a note on your
>windshield if "Stopping would cause further disruption to traffic" - you
>just get a note in the mail). Why wouldn't rangers?

Thanks for clarifying that ajf. So it seems that anyone with a laminated badge can hit you with a pay up / go to jail / lose your license situation. We appear to be living in Soviet Russia.

Keiran says that the place is crawling with laminated badgeholders at the moment, presumably driving all over these roads that are too fragile for us punters. I hope that this activity means that they can open some more of the roads soon. A closure of 3 months is unacceptable for roads that are perfectly driveable.

The reasons given for the delays make it sound like this area is last on the list. Hurry up please Parks Victoria. The northern Grampians cliffs are just not steep enough.

........................back under the radar for me.
ZERO
6/04/2011
6:53:15 PM
On 6/04/2011 chalkischeap wrote:
>The reasons given for the delays make it sound like this area is last
>on the list. Hurry up please Parks Victoria. The northern Grampians cliffs
>are just not steep enough.

Ok, of you can divert all the engineers and insurance assessors away from the other 39% of Victoria that was flood affected, and convince them that Queenslanders are less important than a few climbers I am sure PV will gladly roll out the red carpet......

And re bicycles on closed roads? You can be booked as you come under the same legislation as all other vehicles on public roads, just as you can lose your licence for being drunk in charge of a bicycle, that requires no licence to operate.
chalkischeap
6/04/2011
7:55:37 PM
On 6/04/2011 Stealth wrote:
>
>Ok, of you can divert all the engineers and insurance assessors away from
>the other 39% of Victoria that was flood affected, and convince them that
>Queenslanders are less important than a few climbers I am sure PV will
>gladly roll out the red carpet......
>
Thanks for arranging that Stealth. I must admit that I had you pegged as a by-the-rules worrier, but it's nice to know that you can also make your voice heard as a climber.

(can you really lose your car license for riding your bike after a couple of beers? - it seems that all is lost)

nmonteith
6/04/2011
8:27:53 PM
On 6/04/2011 chalkischeap wrote:
>Thanks for clarifying that ajf. So it seems that anyone with a laminated
>badge can hit you with a pay up / go to jail / lose your license situation.
>We appear to be living in Soviet Russia.

?! So how do you propose a ranger enforces the rules of the park? By saying please? Imagine a campground of 50 bogans with stereos blaring, dogs running around, firearms out shooting native animals and none has paid camp fees. That's what Stapylton would look like if the poor rangers couldn't hand out fines. The police force should not need to be involved - they should be dealing with violent crimes and major accidents.

USA Rangers have the full powers of the police force, including arrest and right to shoot you if you resist (they all pack weapons!).

nmonteith
6/04/2011
8:31:50 PM
On 6/04/2011 chalkischeap wrote:
>(can you really lose your car license for riding your bike after a couple
>of beers? - it seems that all is lost)

Yes. And riding on a horse drunk is also an offense that you can loose demerit points from. Makes sense to me - they are vehicles on a public road that everyone else is sharing. I don't want to be driving around with random drunk idiots on bikes swerving in front of me.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
6/04/2011
9:17:26 PM
On 6/04/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>Yes. And riding on a horse drunk is also an offense that you can loose
>demerit points from. Makes sense to me - they are vehicles on a public
>road that everyone else is sharing. I don't want to be driving around with
>random drunk idiots on bikes swerving in front of me.

~> with tongue firmly in cheek; ... I wonder how many posters on Chockstone run the risk of being drunk while posting on this site in the presence of omnipotent Moderators?
~> swerves under the keyboard!
Heh, heh, heh.
kieranl
6/04/2011
9:34:25 PM
On 6/04/2011 Stealth wrote:
>And re bicycles on closed roads? You can be booked as you come under
>the same legislation as all other vehicles on public roads,
>
But, apart from the joy of doing someone for doing something forbidden, what would be the point of it? Is the bicycle damaging the road in this instance?
chalkischeap
6/04/2011
9:40:17 PM
On 6/04/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>
>Yes. And riding on a horse drunk is also an offense that you can loose
>demerit points from.

Actually I think it's ok as long as the horse is not over the limit.

Gun totin' rangers a good idea you think? Pay your camp fees motherf*******
Maybe the American model is not the best idea.

shortman
6/04/2011
10:02:56 PM
On 6/04/2011 nmonteith wrote:
> Imagine a campground of 50 bogans with stereos blaring, dogs running
>around, firearms out shooting native animals and none has paid camp fees.
>That's what Stapylton would look like if the poor rangers couldn't hand
>out fines.

This is ridiculously paranoid. I doubt this would be the result of rangers not being able to hand out fines. This situation just sounds exciting! Take the law into your hands, head butt the leader, take his gun, shoot his mate in the foot, kill his dog, feed it to the wallabies, and then steal his wallet and dump it in the collection box.

Then, and only then, turn his music off and carefully remove your fat freddy's drop cd from the car, insert it into his stereo and push play. But not too loud now.






nmonteith
6/04/2011
10:09:12 PM
My description was pretty much a visual of what the Wolgan campground looks like at Easter.

shortman
6/04/2011
10:22:14 PM
On 6/04/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>My description was pretty much a visual of what the Wolgan campground looks
>like at Easter.

Seriously??

I havent been to nsw in a while. U goin at easter?? Take me with ya and I'll take out at least 6 a night for ya. But I would wanna take my dog 'cause he's alright.
Wendy
7/04/2011
7:15:57 AM
On 6/04/2011 chalkischeap wrote:

>
>The reasons given for the delays make it sound like this area is last
>on the list. Hurry up please Parks Victoria. The northern Grampians cliffs
>are just not steep enough.
>

It probably is very low on the priority list. I suspect that more useful than complaining on here would be writing some politely worded letters to people reminding them that you are a valid park user and that you would appreciate some attention paying to areas of the park that you would otherwise be using.

But you just aren't looking in the right places if you can't find steep rock in the Northern Grampians. If you have climbed out Taipan, Spurt, Sentinal, Amnesty, that wall above it I can't remember the name of, Upper Cut Lunch, Sandinista Wall, Van Deiman, Cave Cliff, Sun Deck and Sungate, then maybe you have a valid complaint. Still, you could then move on to the steep bouldering. Or tackle the 20m offwidth through the roof at the Kindergarten.

nmonteith
7/04/2011
7:35:27 AM
I think Chalk is Cheap is after Muline/Millenium/Gallery style caves.
Wendy
7/04/2011
7:57:39 AM
On 7/04/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>I think Chalk is Cheap is after Muline/Millenium/Gallery style caves.

Sure, but there are other not completely dissimilar options available. It sucks if you can't get to the crag you really want to go to. But it's not the end of the world. They aren't actually extensive crags and are extra limited if you don't climb 28+. Consider it a good excuse to explore new areas. Sentinal is also a cave and is basically horizontal for some routes. Upper Cut lunch is really steep, high up, orange, slopey funkiness. VD has a wall of pocketed steepness. Hollow mtn cave and the kindergarten offer bloody steep to horizontal bouldering. Joe described the Sun Gate as a mini Gallery. It is actually a kind of cool wavey cave sort of rock. I forgot to mention the Olive Cave. If all these routes are too easy, there are some potential 9a s to free on lower Taipan near Gilgamesh.

Anyone really suffering from a lack of steep rock and caves after all of that, should give up and drive to Nowra or Norton Summit.

ajfclark
7/04/2011
8:09:45 AM
On 6/04/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>My description was pretty much a visual of what the Wolgan campground looks
>like at Easter.

I thought people got malletted for that kind of thing up there?

ajfclark
7/04/2011
8:13:40 AM
On 7/04/2011 Wendy wrote:
>Or tackle the 20m offwidth through the roof at the Kindergarten.

Which one? To the right of The Nevine Rule? That's not been done?
Cam McKenzie
7/04/2011
8:34:58 AM
Genuine Wage Overhang is what Wendy's referring to I believe.
ZERO
7/04/2011
9:05:05 AM
On 7/04/2011 Wendy wrote:

>It probably is very low on the priority list. I suspect that more useful
>than complaining on here would be writing some politely worded letters
>to people reminding them that you are a valid park user and that you would
>appreciate some attention paying to areas of the park that you would otherwise
>be using.
>
Yes, please write to are elected representative and make him earn his income.
Hugh Delahunty, member for Lowan appears to have lots of spare time as I never see him in the media.
I think the north east of the Grampians is in the seat of RIPON (opposite of ripoff?) but I don't know who sits there.
Scribble them lots of letters and express your dissatisfaction.

nmonteith
7/04/2011
9:17:18 AM
There is even a fully horizontal open project at Sentinel if you're keen. Prob no harder than 28/29.

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