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OT - cattle grazing in the alps
lacto
31/01/2011
9:53:10 AM
On 20/01/2011 tmc wrote:
>Just wondering how many of the people here visit the high country be it
>hiking, hunting, fishing, camping, 4x4ing, riding etc.
>
>Cattle or no cattle, the place is GOING TO SH!T.
>
>Travis.
I was at the howqua bindaree hut area saturday and there where 8 cars parked at the camp area where the bridge is washed out (looks like for many years) at the foot of Helicopter spur . Presumable they were walking as either start of howitt spur, helicopter spur or road to bluff hut all giving nice weekend walks or long day walks . Bluff hut spur road had its closed sign pushed over and had been driven over there was a more detailed road closed notice on a star picket beside the road . It appeared a large number of vechiles were going to that "iconic old " craigs hut . there were some very large washout areas on the circuit road that had been repaired but it was closed after the Monument turnoff .
If I were the catleman putting cattle out in the park I would be worried about them dying from acute lead poisoning as there are quite radical people opposed to grazing . In the Barmah Forest it was fairly common for carcasses being found minus their hind quarters . 20 minutes with a trailer and hoist and 2 people would have the legs in the trailer and be off
Cam Walker
2/02/2011
2:21:16 PM
hi all
if people are concerned about the re-introduction of grazing its really important that you tell the government.

Its early days for the Coalition, if people don't tell them its a bad idea, they will claim a mandate to continue.

There is an action alert, with email addresses for key people here:
http://themountainjournal.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/alpine-grazing-action-alert/
thanks!

billk
2/02/2011
3:19:53 PM
On 31/01/2011 lacto wrote:
>If I were the catleman putting cattle out in the park I would be worried
>about them dying from acute lead poisoning as there are quite radical people
>opposed to grazing . In the Barmah Forest it was fairly common for carcasses
>being found minus their hind quarters . 20 minutes with a trailer and hoist
>and 2 people would have the legs in the trailer and be off
>
Wouldn't those be people simply stealing meat, rather than anyone with any kind of political motivation?
Cam Walker
2/02/2011
5:14:24 PM
Thanks, thats a wonderful 'scarey greenies have guns and chainsaws and are roaming the hills dismembering cows' conspiracy theory.

Just as an aside to the original post, I once stumbled across some 4Wders cutting up a cow near Mt Lovick, i can assure you they weren't 'greenies', and they were also pretty damn scarey when they realised i was alone and i'd seen what they were doing...

tnd
2/02/2011
5:25:52 PM
On 2/02/2011 Cam Walker wrote:
>Thanks, thats a wonderful 'scarey greenies have guns and chainsaws and
>are roaming the hills dismembering cows' conspiracy theory.
>
>Just as an aside to the original post, I once stumbled across some 4Wders
>cutting up a cow near Mt Lovick, i can assure you they weren't 'greenies',
>and they were also pretty damn scarey when they realised i was alone and
>i'd seen what they were doing...

Have you seen the movie Deliverance?
Cam Walker
2/02/2011
5:29:56 PM
It was actually a bit of a 'deliverance' moment. Almost dark, 3 really drunk blokes with a gun, a spotlight and very big knives. Me, a young hippie looking guy with a backpack. "Me, no i'm not a greenie, why do you ask?" ...
Philtown
2/02/2011
6:51:22 PM
The Royal National Park just south of Synny used to have a problem with deer, until the NPWS embarked on a cull.

I used to get the occasional chunk of venison from the shackies at Era.

Just sayin....
dmnz
3/02/2011
6:25:10 PM
What about the feral bikers out on tracks which are clearly marked NO BIKES
dmnz
3/02/2011
6:27:26 PM
On 19/01/2011 kieranl wrote:
>The theory seems to be that if you say something loudly enough and often
>enough, eg "Grazing reduces blazing" that it will be true.
>Whereas the science to date says that there was no significant impact
>of wildfire between grazed and ungrazed areas.
>if the science had said : 'Evidence is equivocal" or "Not enough evidence"
>then you could make a case for a trial, but that isn't the situation here.
>

But that's because the next day, someone will pay some other guy in a lab coat to come out with a 'scientific' study concluding the opposite viewpoint.

ajfclark
5/02/2011
11:20:50 AM
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/conservation/rare-find-could-halt-highcountry-cattle-grazing-20110204-1agxz.html

billk
15/03/2011
4:36:41 PM
Stop alpine grazing – it’s a park not a paddock!


Stop alpine grazing –
it’s a park not a paddock!

WHY: The Baillieu Government has reintroduced grazing to Victoria’s
Alpine National Park under the guise of a flawed science project.

Cattle were banned from the park in 2005, now they are back – damaging
threatened species, trampling wetlands and spreading weeds.

While this may benefit a few cattlemen it comes at great cost to Victoria’s
natural heritage. National parks are for nature, not cattle.

SPEAKERS: Environment groups, scientists, politicians and others. Watch
our website for regular updates – www.vnpa.org.au.

WHEN: Wednesday, April 6, 2011. Doors open 6.30pm, for a 7pm start.

WHERE: Box Hill Town Hall, in the main hall, 1022 Whitehorse Rd, Box
Hill. Melway Reference: Map 47 E9. The town hall is a six minute walk from
Box Hill Station (Lilydale and Belgrave lines) or a three minute walk from
the last tram stop on Route 109.

BRING: Feel free to bring your waterproof jacket and bushwalking gear
to show your support for national parks.

COST: Free. Donations welcome.

MORE INFO: To learn more about alpine cattle grazing visit
www.vnpa.org.au, phone us on 03 9347 5188, or email vnpa@vnpa.org.au.

Organised by the National Parks Association.


Supported by Friends of the Earth, The Wilderness Society, Environment Victoria and The National Trust.



evanbb
18/03/2011
1:44:44 PM
Another thing you might consider doing is commenting on this guy's ill-informed blog post.
http://bundarrahdays.blogspirit.com/archive/2011/03/18/grazing-battle-not-about-the-environment.html

#justsayin

ajfclark
18/03/2011
1:51:10 PM
Do we need to add anything beyond what Liam said?

evanbb
18/03/2011
2:51:18 PM
On 18/03/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>Do we need to add anything beyond what Liam said?

Not really. But once I get home I'm going to plus one him.

The interwebs here do weird things. It was caught in tuesday 4am for a while yesterday.
Wendy
18/03/2011
3:27:15 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/18/3167797.htm?section=justin
bones
21/10/2011
8:52:30 AM
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/canberra-moves-to-stop-alpine-grazing-in-victoria-20111020-1madd.html

Good.
pharmamatt
21/10/2011
10:31:10 AM
This was wrong on so many levels. Hopefully the federal government decision, has put this to bed.

JimmyS
21/10/2011
10:43:27 AM
Still can't believe that MCAV are STILL going with the "Grazing reduces Blazing" argument... Haven't they been proven wrong to many times?
citationx
21/10/2011
11:40:11 AM
On 21/10/2011 JimmyS wrote:
>Still can't believe that MCAV are STILL going with the "Grazing reduces
>Blazing" argument... Haven't they been proven wrong to many times?

Sometimes you just can't fix stupid.
(Sometimes, there's the luck of the Darwin awards, though)
kieranl
21/10/2011
12:26:03 PM
On 21/10/2011 JimmyS wrote:
>Still can't believe that MCAV are STILL going with the "Grazing reduces
>Blazing" argument... Haven't they been proven wrong to many times?
Mark Coleman, president of the MCAV has a letter in the Age complaining of the lack of balance in The Age's coverage. Bare-faced gall. That mob have got so much positive coverage (romantic man-from-snowy-river stuff) and much of their "side" of the argument is just to abuse the scientists working in the area.

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