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OT: Rebelious reopening of locked topic
TonyB
30/08/2010
8:11:51 AM
On 29/08/2010 Wendy wrote:
> Sarah suggested
>(offline) it was becasue sex is for reproduction and gay sex can't repoduce,
>but that would write off most sex and I can't imagine outside of some traditional
>Catholics, recreational sex, sex as bonding, sex as an expression of love
>etc is abandonned as morally uncondonable.

The catholic church teachings are based on the philosophy of "Natural Law" as put forward by primarily by Thomas Aquinas in 13th century. The idea is that if some action doesn't follow the "laws" of nature, then it is morally wrong. One can argue that other ethics such as utilitarianism are equally valid, that is if the final outcome provides happiness for all, it is morally "good".

ajfclark
30/08/2010
9:36:33 AM
On 30/08/2010 TonyB wrote:
>The idea is that if some action doesn't follow the "laws" of nature, then it is morally wrong.

So since the animal kingdom has many animals engaging in homosexual behaviour, doesn't that mean the church should allow it?
rolsen1
30/08/2010
9:57:09 AM
On 29/08/2010 Wendy wrote:

snip

>Sorry about that! I think we are basically in agreement about the thread
>had a positive outcome in that the majority of people, and there were quite
>a large number of them, responding were prepared to stand up against homophobia.
> I am still concerned however by what i see as more insidiuous homophobia.
> It's politely and calmly worded and defended, tries to use academia to
>justify it, but it is nevertheless justifying a position of judgement based
>on a randomly chosen characteristic.

Totally agree.

I'm sure that there is no way in changing these people's opinions, however, I do believe we can take a stand and say that on chockstone these discriminatory beliefs and opinions are not welcome, will not be tolerated and should not be posted.

Billie W
30/08/2010
1:44:22 PM
I like my homosexual behaviour when I was younger I used to be able to pay out my brother because I slept with more girls than him!
One Day Hero
30/08/2010
3:50:45 PM
On 28/08/2010 dave h. wrote:

>One Day Hero -
>
>good to see you're making your usual moderate contributions. Feel free
>to erase all of ancient history if you like.
>I agree with you that the whole Mary MacKillop thing is dubious at best.

History doesn't need to be erased, just needs a disclaimer at the top stating "this is our best guess, quite likely that half of this shit is totally wrong"......historians should be forced to include error bars!

Mary MacKillop has been dead less than a hundred years and the pile of bullshit surrounding her is gigantic. Imagine how much crap has been misconstrued, misinterpreted and invented in the last 2000 years!
simey
30/08/2010
4:11:11 PM
On 30/08/2010 Billie W wrote:
>I like my homosexual behaviour when I was younger I used to be able to pay out my brother because I slept with more girls than him!

If I was to take a stab at which posts One Day Hero was likely award a 'thumbs-up' or a 'thumbs-down' response, then I'm guessing he would award this post a double thumbs-up.

nmonteith
30/08/2010
4:14:15 PM
I didn't realize Billie was your sister Simey?
simey
30/08/2010
4:26:40 PM
On 30/08/2010 nmonteith wrote:
>I didn't realize Billie was your sister Simey?

If Billie had been my sister when I was younger she would have only had to sleep with one girl to have done better than me.
One Day Hero
30/08/2010
4:29:18 PM
On 28/08/2010 pensionerpower wrote:
>I probably won't. The whole thing started with an anti-gay slur. But no-one
>(apart from you) has responded directly to the only gay climber - ie. me
>- who has bothered to respond!
>
>I don't really understand that.

Well, you wasted a perfectly good opportunity to start a massive slanging match with Phil. That would have provided stacks of fun for the rest of us.....disappointing!

As to your sexuality, I couldn't care less. To me, you're just another climber, and right now another boring uncontroversial chock-poster......how's that for equality?
One Day Hero
30/08/2010
4:34:57 PM
On 30/08/2010 simey wrote:
>
>If I was to take a stab at which posts One Day Hero was likely award a
>'thumbs-up' or a 'thumbs-down' response, then I'm guessing he would award
>this post a double thumbs-up.
>
Exactly! Pensionerpower should take a leaf out of Billie's book if he's looking for messages of support.
pensionerpower
30/08/2010
6:44:46 PM
On 30/08/2010 One Day Hero wrote:

>Pensionerpower should take a leaf out of Billie's book if he's
>looking for messages of support.

Sorry, I'm fresh out of hot lesbian fantasies. You'll just have to browse for some.

Billie W
31/08/2010
3:39:37 AM
On 30/08/2010 pensionerpower wrote:
>On 30/08/2010 One Day Hero wrote:
>
>>Pensionerpower should take a leaf out of Billie's book if he's
>>looking for messages of support.
>
>Sorry, I'm fresh out of hot lesbian fantasies. You'll just have to browse
>for some.
relax didnt mean to upset anyone Simey is my brother!!!
rod
31/08/2010
4:07:28 AM
On 31/08/2010 Billie W wrote:
>relax didnt mean to upset anyone Simey is my brother!!!

If there's any incest involved just let us know, that'll make this thread complete.
TonyB
31/08/2010
7:33:40 AM
On 30/08/2010 ajfclark wrote:
>On 30/08/2010 TonyB wrote:
>>The idea is that if some action doesn't follow the "laws" of nature,
>then it is morally wrong.
>
>So since the animal kingdom has many animals engaging in homosexual behaviour,
>doesn't that mean the church should allow it?

Very few animals practise monogamy either. Perhaps the church thinks they are all going to hell.
christos
31/08/2010
9:56:49 AM
Many animals are also known to rape, murder, steal, and cannibalize their own kind. If it is okay for humans to engage in homosexual acts because some animals do it, then by that same reasoning, it should be okay for humans to rape, murder, steal, and cannibalize. The question becomes, what authority do we choose to be a guide for our morality?
egosan
31/08/2010
10:05:19 AM
You need an authority to treat others like you would like to be treated? This isn't the Lord of the Flies. I get real suspicious when people claim to have a line on an authority that tells them how to act.

The good Dr
31/08/2010
10:27:50 AM
On 31/08/2010 christos wrote:
>Many animals are also known to rape, murder, steal, and cannibalize their
>own kind. If it is okay for humans to engage in homosexual acts because
>some animals do it, then by that same reasoning, it should be okay for
>humans to rape, murder, steal, and cannibalize. The question becomes, what
>authority do we choose to be a guide for our morality?

And many of those self styled authorities have engaged in, and continue to engage in, rape, murder, theft etc from the people they purport to protect in the eyes of their chosen god. Seems like an awesome set-up to me. So, if authority figures in these religious controlling bodies engage in homosexual acts, molest children, steal, sanction murders etc then it must be OK!?!

gordoste
Online Now
31/08/2010
10:29:40 AM
On 30/08/2010 ajfclark wrote:
>On 30/08/2010 TonyB wrote:
>>The idea is that if some action doesn't follow the "laws" of nature,
>then it is morally wrong.
>
>So since the animal kingdom has many animals engaging in homosexual behaviour,
>doesn't that mean the church should allow it?

I think that Tony was just explaining the historical background, not endorsing that view.

The good Dr
31/08/2010
10:33:38 AM
If people care for and respect each other then what is the big whoopsy do about how they engage in the swapping of bodily fluids?
christos
31/08/2010
10:37:49 AM
Isn’t the term ‘treat others like you would like to be treated’ from an authority and in itself a directive of how to act? A healthy authority is protective for the common good. I need some boundaries and so do my kids. I'm really cool with it.

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