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Australia goes down the toilet!

Phil Box
22/08/2010
7:05:25 PM
My my, how tolerant everyone is when someone has a different opinion and is brazen enough to express it.

Went climbing today so missed all this serious political ranting. Let me tell you a story. During the day and in fact being the day after the election we all got to talking about said election. Most of the climbers mentioned that they had voted green. I said that I had voted for Abbot and crew. We then proceeded to have the most uproarious fun ever. Very robust discussion ensued. Now what would have happened if I had merely mumbled in my beard and then everyone present all agreed that greens are great.

I think that more people need to say things straight particularly when politics comes up. Makes for a very fun and dynamic discussion.

Get over yourselves, this is a politics thread. It would be incredibly sad if all we wanted is clones of ourselves and to become a mutual admiration society.

On an adventure camp one Christmas the bus driver mentioned that he hated Pauline Hanson. So I told him in front of all the kids that I loved Pauline Hanson. by the end of the trip all the kids were on my side and the bus driver still hated Pauline Hanson. Great discussion was had by all and it was all in good fun. The bus driver and I are still good mates and Pauline Hanson is no where to be seen. Fun times.

So where did all the racism comments come from, what is that all about.

What this discussion is really about is politivcal parties and personalities covering up their real agendas. They know that if they stated their case outright then voters would find their policies too unpalatable to stomach. So they sugar coat the message and then after they gain power you will see the real agenda come forth.

Well I'm sick of it and at every opportunity I will not be PC. I will say it how I see it. Of course that will only occur in politics threads. If you don't like it then feel free to disagree and state your case. But please be civil and dare I say, tolerant of other peoples views. You do yourselves no favours for your cause by exhibiting such intolerance.

Carry on.

Miguel75
22/08/2010
7:07:08 PM
While Phil's comments are portrayed rather strongly they are his opinions and are just as valid as anyone else's on this forum. Whether you're for, against or impartial when it comes to communism, socialism, gay marriage, transsexual satan worshipping, work choices, global warming or whatever else; people have the right to express ideas, except for sympathizers of NAMBLA and others involved in the exploitation of children (except Nike). They should be publicly flogged.... several times!

Please respect my right to believe this as I respect your right to believe differently.
simey
22/08/2010
7:08:32 PM
On 22/08/2010 J.C. wrote:
>I don't agree with Phil's comments per se (which for the record I highly doubt he intended to be taken quite so seriously)

Well it is hard to interpret Phil's comments any other way. And if his comments were aimed at being humourous, then I think he missed the mark by a long shot.

>but here's some food for thought... how PC do you think the bullies at school are gonna be to the kid with two dads? There's a big difference between ideals and reality and no matter how accepting society can become there will always be a point of conflict somewhere along the line. Due to the underlying biological fact that 2 dudes (or girls) cannot make babies by natural means, same-sex marriages cannot ever be truly 'normalised' as far as I can see.

Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons and they usually learn to deal with bullying too. The idea that two loving parents of the same sex shouldn't raise a child because there is some remote chance that the kid might be bullied shows a pretty narrow perspective of what is important in life.

simey
22/08/2010
7:13:13 PM
On 22/08/2010 Phil Box wrote:
>But please be civil and dare I say, tolerant of other peoples views. You do yourselves no favours for your cause by exhibiting such intolerance.

That is a strange statement given your original posting.
J.C.
22/08/2010
7:16:06 PM
I'm not saying that they shouldnt, I reckon whatever they want they should be allowed to do just bear in mind that there will be certain repercussions that will effect that kid growing up. I also agree that learning how to deal with bullies is a very important part of growing up, that's why everyone is such an asshole to you simey, it's out of love.

Phil Box
22/08/2010
7:51:55 PM
On 22/08/2010 simey wrote:
>On 22/08/2010 Phil Box wrote:
>>But please be civil and dare I say, tolerant of other peoples views.
>You do yourselves no favours for your cause by exhibiting such intolerance.
>
>That is a strange statement given your original posting.
>

Well I did have a very able troll teacher to learn from.
Duncan
22/08/2010
8:11:54 PM
You're not "not being PC", you're just a bigot. If you think it's ok to call Adam Bandt a "a lisping flaming homosexual greeny tree hugger", then I have no problem calling you a redneck piece of shit. Regardless, the point about gay marriage is not that it allows gay couples to have kids, it gives them the same legal rights as any other married couple. This is why I said you didn't understand the issue - because you clearly don't.

The "let's all just go climbing" line doesn't cut it. I don't want to live in a country where people think homophobia or racism or xenophobia is ok, let alone frequent a forum where it's allowed. I refer you again to "a lisping flaming homosexual greeny tree hugger" - an reiterate: Phil Box, you are a shitstain on the soiled undies of the obese trucker that is the state of Queensland.

cruze
22/08/2010
8:24:37 PM
On 22/08/2010 Wendy wrote:
>On 22/08/2010 Rocker wrote:
>>>The problem with democracy is that the vote of an oxygen thief like
>you
>>counts as much as that of informed people.
>>
>>Here is a Extract from a Blog I was reading that may be of interest to
>>some:
>>
>>[allthatstuff]
>>Source: http://jamiemcintyre.com/blog/
>>
>>Just Food for Thought. :D
>
>Without having said blogger to "muse" with, I think calling compulsory
>voting communistic is getting a wee bit carried away. Lots of things are
>complusory and also prohibited in our society. I think compulsory voting
>is one way of ensuring that everybody's voice is heard, including the uninformed,
>uneducated, disillusioned, thoughtless and possibly braindead. Saying
>that voluntary voting leads to the more informed and educated voting and
>cutting out the scum is both not necessarily true and very condescending.
> What tends to happen is the poor and disenfranchised are the ones who
>don't vote and the suggested scenario sounds just like a way of replicating
>and growing the advantage of a few. A real way to deal with the problem
>is poitical education in our schools and political advertising and discussion
>that provides information and encourages analysis rather than name calling
>and seeking emotive response.
>
>On the other stuff, you don't fight poison with poison. Surely the ugliness
>and ineffectiveness of this is a lesson well demonstrated throughout this
>campaign?
>
Despite its relative simplicity, anyone who can set up a blog is far more educated and/or computer literate than most people. That blog post trying to be philosophical about forcing people to vote reeks of the worst parts of middle-class new age ideology. It is really easy to speak about how one shouldn't be forced to vote when we grow up in relative comfort. Not voting in that situation is more lazyness than rebelliousness. Politics remains one of the most effective vehicles for universally raising the standard of living for the greatest number of people.

I just spent a week having some really interesting night time conversations with a pretty disillusioned non-voter who lives in his car in a caravan park. He doesn't vote because he doesn't believe in the system. I reminded him that recently people risked their lives (and some lost theirs) voting in Afghanistan. I had a hard time trying to argue that he shouldn't be critical of a system he chooses not to be part of. In the end I remained comfortable in my belief that voting should be compulsory, although I accepted a good deal of what he was saying.

I just listened to the three independents on 7:30 special edition with Kerry O'Brien. Good stuff. Bob Cattar is the least grounded, although I say that sitting in my living room at the other end of the country to where he lives. Between the three of them I really hope that they can have an impact on the pettyness of modern Australian politics.
Paz
22/08/2010
8:42:28 PM
On 22/08/2010 Phil Box wrote:

>Well I'm sick of it and at every opportunity I will not be PC. I will
>say it how I see it.
And this

But
>please be civil and dare I say, tolerant of other peoples views. You do
>yourselves no favours for your cause by exhibiting such intolerance.
>

What a fukcing dumb contradiction. Shows you really spent a long time thinking of your case when you tell people to be civil after calling gay's "fags".

The reason any son or daughter of a gay couple would be bullied is because their kids would have redneck dads and moms talking bout the good old days of lynching Blacks and making sure their kids say three 'Hail Hitlers' before bed.... Once this discrimination is eliminated, there's no reason why kids would even care.
One Day Hero
22/08/2010
8:51:34 PM
On 22/08/2010 Paz wrote:
>
>What a fukcing dumb contradiction. Shows you really spent a long time
>thinking of your case when you tell people to be civil after calling gay's
>"fags".
>
Also a bizarre misuse of the english language. A "fag" is someone who doesn't ever climb on natural gear, or doesn't climb routes with carrots cause they feel its unsafe, or only boulders........I don't understand this wierd notion that it has something to do with sexuality
jacq
22/08/2010
9:13:49 PM
There is a very, VERY big difference between stating one's opinion and being abusive and vilifying a group of people in society who just so happen to live their lives in a different way. You actually don't have the right to do that. Give a rational, sensible, (and fact-based would be nice!) perspective for your views - that's fine, but that original post was none of those things. Just really nasty, bigoted, ignorant and unnecessary. People who are gay (and their kids) have a hard enough time of things in our so-called "modern" society - this sort of abuse doesn't help them, or anyone else either. How they live doesn't affect you - so maybe you should keep such abusive "ideas" to yourself - that would be much more helpful.

Hendo
22/08/2010
9:43:13 PM
The previously suppressed pro-homosexuals want to suppress the anti-homosexuals because their views on sexuality are ‘wrong’.

Anybody else think the ‘be tolerant of everyone’ position is unworkable?

salty crag
22/08/2010
9:53:36 PM
Interesting thread, agree that we have the right to express an opinion but minority bashing is such shallow bullying. Some of the replies to Phils original post are a tad over the top but in a way I'm glad as too many people say nothing and let the bigots have freedom of the soapbox. I have a number of good friends in same sex partnerships (one couple just celebrated 25 yrs together) and all have raised very well adjusted, intelligent, beautiful kids who have flourished in a loving, stable family environment. Phil if your ever down my way drop in and stay and I might be able to challenge your beliefs and idea's a bit, climbing's pretty good too.
One Day Hero
22/08/2010
10:00:06 PM
On 22/08/2010 Hendo wrote:
>Anybody else think the ‘be tolerant of everyone’ position is unworkable?

Nup, its just you Hendo. The rest of us are heaps tolerant.

What is this? The 3rd thread on which you've tried to peddle your racist agenda?

I reckon you have a bad case of crimson spankneck!
rolsen1
22/08/2010
10:04:49 PM
On 22/08/2010 salty crag wrote:
>Interesting thread, agree that we have the right to express an opinion
>but minority bashing is such shallow bullying. Some of the replies to Phils
>original post are a tad over the top but in a way I'm glad as too many
>people say nothing and let the bigots have freedom of the soapbox. I have
>a number of good friends in same sex partnerships (one couple just celebrated
>25 yrs together) and all have raised very well adjusted, intelligent, beautiful
>kids who have flourished in a loving, stable family environment. Phil if
>your ever down my way drop in and stay and I might be able to challenge
>your beliefs and idea's a bit, climbing's pretty good too.

I also think it is great that the chocky community has voiced it's disapproval and disagreement with Phil's views so strongly.

I've always liked the quote (is it in a guide book somewhere??) that goes something like "climbing is always a big laugh until I think I'm about to fall off"

I think chocky is like that as well, a big laugh until someone says something totally inappropriate and offensive.

Sabu
22/08/2010
10:13:09 PM
Quite a few people are yet to realise this is a well constructed troll. Phil alluded to it in a his second post by saying he has been the devils advocate before to challenge peoples beliefs...

Incase anyone missed it through their glazed over eyes of seething hate:

On 22/08/2010 Phil Box wrote:
>On an adventure camp one Christmas the bus driver mentioned that he hated
>Pauline Hanson. So I told him in front of all the kids that I loved Pauline
>Hanson. by the end of the trip all the kids were on my side and the bus
>driver still hated Pauline Hanson. Great discussion was had by all and
>it was all in good fun. The bus driver and I are still good mates and Pauline
>Hanson is no where to be seen. Fun times.

And here:

On 22/08/2010 Phil Box wrote:
>Well I did have a very able troll teacher to learn from.
simey
22/08/2010
10:18:11 PM
On 22/08/2010 One Day Hero wrote:
>Also a bizarre misuse of the english language. A "fag" is someone who
>doesn't ever climb on natural gear, or doesn't climb routes with carrots
>cause they feel its unsafe, or only boulders........I don't understand
>this wierd notion that it has something to do with sexuality

You're dead right ODH. And I'm sure you are in agreement with me in saying that 'fags' shouldn't be allowed to raise children. Imagine the bullying that could take place at school if it was discovered that a child had parents who only bouldered or climbed on bolts. They would be scarred for life.

Duncan
22/08/2010
10:30:29 PM
On 22/08/2010 Sabu wrote:
>Quite a few people are yet to realise this is a well constructed troll.
>Phil alluded to it in a his second post by saying he has been the devils
>advocate before to challenge peoples beliefs...

One Day Hero
22/08/2010
10:33:28 PM
Of course I'm with you Simey.

I suffered terribly when the other kids at school found out my dad was a chalk user. It seems unthinkable nowdays that people would discriminate on the basis of dermo-transpirational orientation, but Australian society was very different in the early 80's!

nmonteith
22/08/2010
10:52:47 PM
As the first moderator who has tuned in it seems - i can only apologize I didn't see Phil's nasty homophobic post earlier. It is totally unacceptable. I am in the process of deleting the worst of it now - but need to go through each page. Stay tuned.

Phil - you have lost all my respect.

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