General Climbing Discussion

Author	Map of climbing in oz?
IdratherbeclimbingM9 12-Aug-2010 10:23:23 AM	On 10/08/2010 hotgemini wrote: >aaand Wendy has hit the nail square on the head, should be fixed now. >I'm normally quicker on picking that one up but from knowing andrew I'd >(wrongly) assumed he'd already been approved. > >Anyone else need the big tick on their account while I'm here? Quite a while ago I started down this track and registered, but was (rightly) unable to edit anything at the time. My intention in joining was to correct some route descriptions that I knew to be wrong, and to add a couple of routes. Quite some time has passed since then, but I have now picked up the reigns again, and notice I can 'edit area' and 'add route', but have not found where to edit a specific route, or at least how to add that information as an appendage if required. In the interest of getting it right first go, I am happy to be told rather than experiment... Any tips?
rodw 12-Aug-2010 10:28:23 AM	Click on the route name itself and there should be an edit route button at the bottom...if not you may not have the access yet t do so.
IdratherbeclimbingM9 12-Aug-2010 10:41:45 AM	On 12/08/2010 rodw wrote: >Click on the route name itself and there should be an edit route button >at the bottom...if not you may not have the access yet t do so. Thanks rodw. It appears that I can now do so. I shall also have to do another photo mark-up and email same to Joe G, to post it as a replacement for his Belougery - Warrumbungles routes pics on that site.
hotgemini 12-Aug-2010 12:55:01 PM	David: You should be good to go now. On the subject of the ACT, I'd love to hear thoughts from the locals on how best to structure the upper end of the hierarchy. Are the current regions the logical structure or should we take the opportunity to split it up differently?
hotgemini 12-Aug-2010 3:04:50 PM	You'll have to bear with me here, I've only climbing for about a week in the ACT. Lots of the thigns you've listed there strike me as probably wokring better at the sub-region level, rather than as a region. Does north/west/east/south/suburban or something similar work? Or would namadgi/brindabella/something/something work better? With regards to the bouldering, these should just be treated like normal areas rather than excised into a seperate category. If there's a need/desire to collate them out into a seperate list, as the database 'knows' from the make-up of the routes whether an area has a significant amount of bouldering, this could be done automatically. It's something I'll pass along to the tech wizards. -Adam.
WM 12-Aug-2010 3:38:08 PM	NSW top level needs a lot of work too. Too many "sub-regions" appear on the list. imo none of these count as Regions: Wollongong, Wolgan, Warrumbungles, nowra, pt perp, nerriga, bungonia, Kaputar - all should be "sub-regions" IMO in principle there should be a "manageable" number of top level "Regions' which together cover the whole state (cf. VIC which only has 6 regions which works fine). Then ACA mods should lock it to prevent any further NSW "Regions" being added. The obvious easy option is to let somebody else do the hard work of working out these divisions and copy it (!), so I suggest ACA NSW should simply be divided up as per the 15 weather "Districts" used by BOM on this map: http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/map.shtml Then all the above "sub-regions" should be moved under the respective Region (and the Blueys should be renamed to become the Central Tablelands). at a minimum, its inconsistent/incorrect that - tarana is under the blueys but wolgan is on its own. - newcastle is under central west
hotgemini 12-Aug-2010 4:26:56 PM	WM: I couldn't agree more, the relative mess of the NSW structure was what inspired my questions regarding the ACT.
nmonteith 13-Aug-2010 12:03:01 PM	On 13/08/2010 davidn wrote: >The answer to this is always yes, but am I a retard? Trying to add a map/how-to-find >of an area in 'edit crag', I select a location map, update, and ... nothing. > >What am I missing? The file you are trying to upload is probably massive. Keep them smaller than 1000 pixels across - and obviously make sure its a JPG.
BenHev 19-Aug-2010 1:46:35 AM	On 12/08/2010 hotgemini wrote: >So, the route database hierarchy runs >State > Region > Sub-region > Crag > Area > >The co-ordinates which appear on the map from the 'Area' level (and the >box is labelled 'Google Map') . There is a corresponding box labelled >'parking' in the Crag level, which is intended to be used for whatever >is the sensible central location for the group of Areas. I've tried adding a couple of parking (Crag level) spots, but they don't appear to display on the map (The Horn and Summerday Valley). Am I doing something wrogn? If parking co-ordinates haven't been implemented yet, perhaps they could be added in another colour, or with a toggle on/off tick box? Ben
hotgemini 19-Aug-2010 8:08:41 AM	Yep, you've nailed it ben, the crag level 'parking' coordinates are not yet mapped but I'd still encourage people to upload the co-ordinates as continuous improvements are made so the crag level mapping will be used in the future. I'll pass on your suggestion Ben. -Adam.
MonkeyBoy 19-Aug-2010 1:05:39 PM	I think I just raised this issue over in the lindfield rocks thread, Where would it be best to note the paring coords at the moment ? On google maps for lindfield the carpark is really obvious, might it be good to have a general crag location as all the areas are really close together. I am sure there are other crags whith lots of areas close together so this might be helpfull maybe green for parking blue for general crags and red for areas / specific walls ? Just an idea
nmonteith 19-Aug-2010 2:38:57 PM	The carpark and exact crag locations can be pin-pointed. I don't know about marking a 'general area' - as this would never be accurate - and if its some sort of average of combined areas then if you zoomed in it could end up pointing at a random bit of bush. Car park and exact crag locations should be the two points location points recorded. I'd even like to see specific climbs recorded (useful for Grose Valley style adventure routes that are far apart and approached from above)
MonkeyBoy 19-Aug-2010 2:41:57 PM	Hmmm what about something in the generic crag section before you select your sub area that indicates there is a map available ? maybe just alink next to the area title that says map ?
hotgemini 19-Aug-2010 3:26:42 PM	It's important that when we're entering data into the route database that we understand the significance of what it is, not a guidebook but a database. The current interface queries this database and displays the information to the user in the layout you see now, but in the future more sophisticated/elegant interfaces will not doubt be developed and implemented. Apologies for labouring that point a bit, but it has important ramifications for how we enter data into the route database. It's important that the data quality is high (and improved automatic validation is something on the agenda). In practical terms what this means is if something doesn't quite fit/work, please don't try to implement work-arounds or just drop information into any old box where it'll fit. Let us know and we'll see what we can work out, either in explaining how that information fits within the existing structure, or incorporating changes so there's an appropriate place for it. Please don't take this the wrong way, don't let it deter you from inputting information and keep the feedback flowing for future improvements. It may not be implemented immediately (or it may not be implemented at all) but people are listening and work continues as the techy volunteers have the time to do it. On that note if there are any folks who think they may be able to contribute to the back-end of the route database, please be sure to let us know. I'm technically incompetent but the people who are smarter than me tell me that it's all done in PHP (I think, but don't quote me.). -Adam
MonkeyBoy 19-Aug-2010 3:35:43 PM	Noted
nmonteith 19-Aug-2010 3:39:39 PM	Very good points Adam. If you only want to do a half assed job entering data please don't enter it at all. If a print guide has a height, first ascent name, date, number of bolts etc then this should also be included in this online guide. Just quickly entering the very basics means someone else has to go through and fix it all later (which is a lot less exciting than entering the stuff from scratch). Please think before you type!
hotgemini 19-Aug-2010 3:53:27 PM	On 19/08/2010 MonkeyBoy wrote: >I think I just raised this issue over in the lindfield rocks thread, Where >would it be best to note the paring coords at the moment ? Hi, if you go to 'edit crag', between the boxes labelled 'linking code 2' and the box labelled 'information' you'll find a box labelled 'Parking' and the link to open google maps in a new window is off to the right. Drop the co-ordinates for the carpark in there. >On google maps for lindfield the carpark is really obvious, might it be >good to have a general crag location as all the areas are really close >together. I am sure there are other crags whith lots of areas close together >so this might be helpfull maybe green for parking blue for general crags >and red for areas / specific walls ? > >Just an idea There's the option currently upload two JPG crag maps. I typically use one map to show how to get to the crag and the latter to show how to get around between the different areas at the crag. Be aware maximum image size is currently limited to ~1000 pixels across, so don't try to upload huge images. Definitely still add the map coordinates for the other areas, not just the abseil wall. -Adam.
hotgemini 19-Aug-2010 3:56:36 PM	On 19/08/2010 nmonteith wrote: >The carpark and exact crag locations can be pin-pointed. I don't know about >marking a 'general area' - as this would never be accurate - and if its >some sort of average of combined areas then if you zoomed in it could end >up pointing at a random bit of bush. Car park and exact crag locations >should be the two points location points recorded. I'd even like to see >specific climbs recorded (useful for Grose Valley style adventure routes >that are far apart and approached from above) Neil, I'll pass on the suggestion for adding co-ordinates to the climb level, as an idea it's a no-brainer although the implementation may take a while (or it may not, I've got no idea, I'm not technically competent enough to estimate and we're relying on volunteers to give up their free time). Keep the feedback coming and keep feeding the information into the guide. :) -Adam.
ClintR 4-Nov-2010 4:13:13 PM	The map on the Sun, Surf and Sandstone Sydney guide works quite well although badly out of date now: www.sydneyclimbing.com/crag_map.html
hotgemini 4-Nov-2010 4:28:42 PM	Works for me in Chrome but not in IE, I'll pass it along to dan et al. -Adam.

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