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Sydney National Parks - Climbing & POM Review

kuu
11/12/2009
1:06:47 PM
On 11/12/2009 grangrump wrote:
>On 10/12/2009 kuu wrote:
>... >In an email sent yesterday to SRC members I encouraged them to post
>on
>>the Forum ...
>
>just for clarity: is it enuf for people to log and click the 'agree' button
>on an existing post
>or do you want more and more repetitive posts?

As WallWombat says above, you might as well post a response while you're there. Even a brief
positive comment will be worthwhile. And of course, click "Agree" on any of the previous posts that
match your sentiments.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
11/12/2009
1:33:58 PM
On 10/12/2009 wallwombat wrote:
>I have just posted this on Supertopo, rockclimbing.com and UKClimbing.com.
>Hopefully it will illicit some positive responses.
>

~> It was a good thing to do, as it has elicited a couple of positive responses from overseas already.
dalai
13/12/2009
9:35:02 PM
We need as many positive responses as possible to open climbing again on these sea cliffs.

The Fear for example is one of the most amazing climbs around for position, atmosphere and overall experience...

wallwombat
13/12/2009
9:43:27 PM
Believe me, I have been trying to convince people on three different continents to respond but it seems to be an uphill battle.

Considering the amount of members here on Chockstone, I'm more disappointed with their lack of responses than anyone elses. As kuu has noted, unless the access problem is at their favourite crag(s) most climbers don't seem to give a shit.
dalai
13/12/2009
10:34:22 PM
Even if it isn't your local crag, everyone please join up and respond!

All access issues need to be fought for. It is so easy for organisations to just ban climbing rather than look for compromises or solutions. So even if this doesn't directly impact you and your area now, it continues the precedence for climbers being seen as easy pickings and will affect all of us in the end...

When I do get out it is very infrequently now and only local bouldering, I still commented and go back to tick the Agree link. As this is a rare opportunity being given an chance to comment on what impacts us and our sport.

kuu
14/12/2009
8:52:44 AM
On 13/12/2009 dalai wrote:
>Even if it isn't your local crag, everyone please join up and respond!
>
>All access issues need to be fought for. It is so easy for organisations
>to just ban climbing rather than look for compromises or solutions. So
>even if this doesn't directly impact you and your area now, it continues
>the precedence for climbers being seen as easy pickings and will affect
>all of us in the end...
>
Thanks dalai for lending your support.

As of this morning, the main/original SHNP forum thread "Good Cop? Bad Cop? had registered 2280
views and received 68 comments.

The secondary forum thread "Allow Rock Climbing" had registered 200 views and received 11
comments.

So it would still be great to see more Chockstoners login and have their say.

(post edit) http://sydneyharbourpom.net.au/topic/what-activities-to-allow-or-ban-in-our-national-park



wallwombat
14/12/2009
10:58:12 AM
Personally, I think the second forum thread is superfluous. The 'Good Cop/Bad Cop' forum , which is all about which recreational activities to allow and which activities to ban, is enough, considering the overwhelming majority of replies has come from climbers. There are a couple of responses posted by nudists and one by a mountain biker but the rest are all from climbers.

I think you should be allowed to ride your mountain bike, in the nude, out to North Head and climb The Fear without risking a fine. It will also save you from ruining a perfectly good pair of undies.

kuu
14/12/2009
11:17:08 AM
On 14/12/2009 wallwombat wrote:

>I think you should be allowed to ride your mountain bike, in the nude,
>out to North Head and climb The Fear without risking a fine. It will also
>save you from ruining a perfectly good pair of undies.

As soon as NPWS allows this behaviour we'll all be out to watch you demonstrate how it's done!

rodw
14/12/2009
1:07:01 PM

>As soon as NPWS allows this behaviour we'll all be out to watch you demonstrate
>how it's done!

No thanks.... Ill be busy that weekend.

ajfclark
14/12/2009
1:12:11 PM
On 14/12/2009 rodw wrote:
>No thanks.... Ill be busy that weekend.

I'm sure someone will put it on youtube so you don't miss out. Maybe it could become the chockstone version of Rick Rolling?

pmonks
14/12/2009
4:13:43 PM
On 14/12/2009 ajfclark wrote:
>I'm sure someone will put it on youtube so you don't miss out. Maybe
>it could become the chockstone version of Rick Rolling?

Or goatse, depending on how freaked out by The Fear ww gets! ;-)

WARNING FOR DELICATE PRINCESSES: DO NOT GOOGLE "goatse"!!

wallwombat
14/12/2009
4:47:47 PM
I've climbed it before, about 15 years ago.

I must admit, I was pretty freaked out but probably not THAT freaked out.
dalai
14/12/2009
10:18:00 PM
Don't scare the punters off. We need more people joining up and adding comments to support climbing on the Sydney sea cliffs!

wallwombat
14/12/2009
10:44:26 PM
If climbing was to become permitted in the Sydney Harbour National Park, all the dodgy fixed gear would be able to be replaced with nice shiny glue-in stainless steel. This would have to be a good thing.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
15/12/2009
11:58:22 AM
On 6/12/2009 Wendy wrote:
>While we're on the participate in park management theme, remember Parks
>Vic have an Alpine National Park one too, see this thread
>
>I registered for it ages ago then found it outrageously tedious to find
>where to contribute too and forgot about it. (snip)

& several other posters later in this thread also attest to the non user-friendliness of that site.

The original poster asked for feedback, so I gave some by email yesterday and this is the quick response that I got back.


Thanks so much for the info, Rod. I'm off to check out the Sydney harbour site listed.

I've just today been going through a review done of the site by the original web designers with the project manager to try to disentangle some the scariest bits. I suspect our being so tied to the management plan in it's original linear form is at the root of a lot of the problems.

Any suggestions are welcome .

Regards
Stacy


Stacy Giannini
Senior Communications Officer
Parks Victoria

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Subject: Parks Vic. blog. ~ feedback.

G'day Stacy,

Some time ago you posted on Website 'Chockstone' the message contained at the bottom of this email, which amongst other things sought feedback.

Here is some feedback on the Parks Vic website (set up for giving constructive feedback!), found here;

http://weplan.parks.vic.gov.au/

An example thread being ...

http://weplan.parks.vic.gov.au/wiki/view/Plan/Part3Sec5HowTheParksAreUsedDiscussion


Myself (and plenty of others I know), do not consider it to be a very user-friendly site, due being convoluted/cumbersome and also in my opinion, potentially open to hacking of ones posts by others through the edit function!

Here is an example of the NSW equivalent;

http://sydneyharbourpom.net.au/topic/what-activities-to-allow-or-ban-in-our-national-park

... that is found here;
http://sydneyharbourpom.net.au/

~> A much 'cleaner' / user-friendly setup!!

Having used both sites I can now confirm that if I try and post a reply agreeing/disagreeing with a previous post on any given thread on the PV website it can be a frustrating experience when faced with the difficulties that it entails.

~> This is sad given that 'general public' are trying to do what Parks Vic. actually want(!) on their website, but stop trying after an initial frustration.

Both sites (NSW and Vic.), I understand, were set up at about the same time. If the admin-peoples compare the volume of response on the different sites, it will back up my premise that the Parks Vic. one is missing out on a lot of potential feedback.

If you think it worthwhile, feel free to forward this email on to whoever administers that site.

Regards,
Rod.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi, I work at Parks Victoria and were just starting the review of the Victorian Alpine National Parks management plan. The area due for review includes the Alpine, Baw Baw, Mount Buffalo, Errinundra and Snowy River national parks.

As real park users I thought youd be interested in the blog we've just started to let people know what were doing. Once a table on contents and base info has been developed well add a Wiki so any interested people can start editing and help us understand what they want from the parks.

It is time to take a fresh approach to park planning so join us at weplan.parks.vic.gov.au

Cheers
Stacy
(and give me yell if you register on the site to tell me what you think, its very early days so feedback is really appreciated)




bw
15/12/2009
12:16:04 PM
On 14/12/2009 wallwombat wrote:
>If climbing was to become permitted in the Sydney Harbour National Park,
>all the dodgy fixed gear would be able to be replaced with nice shiny glue-in
>stainless steel. This would have to be a good thing.

then we could rename 'the fear' to... umm maybe 'the placid' or 'pacific' ;) j/k

wallwombat
15/12/2009
1:13:21 PM
On 15/12/2009 b dubya wrote:

>then we could rename 'the fear' to... umm maybe 'the placid' or 'pacific'
> ;) j/k

I said "replace" which means rebolt rather than retrobolt which means add new fixed gear, where there was none before.

Get rid of things that look like this

and replace it with someting that looks like this

or this


Anyway, I'm probably getting a bit ahead of myself here.
dalai
17/12/2009
2:00:55 PM
Come on people, please sign up and comment. Think of the children! Give them the gift that keeps giving, a future with access to the great climbing within the SHNP!

http://sydneyharbourpom.net.au/topic/what-activities-to-allow-or-ban-in-our-national-park

IdratherbeclimbingM9
17/12/2009
3:13:57 PM
The response to date has been encouraging, particularly if compared to the other 'user groups'.
Nudist related posts 3.
Mountain biking related posts 6.
Climbing related posts 61 on the first thread and 16 on the second.
... although there is some cross-over / blurring too.

I am far from feeling complacent with these numbers though, and agree with dalai that access is our future, so the more awareness created and constructive response given/received the better off climbing will be.
My thanks go to those who have contributed.

kuu
17/12/2009
4:21:27 PM
On 17/12/2009 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>The response to date has been encouraging, particularly if compared to
>the other 'user groups'.
>Nudist related posts 3.
>Mountain biking related posts 6.
>Climbing related posts 61 on the first thread and 16 on the second.
>... although there is some cross-over / blurring too.
>
>I am far from feeling complacent with these numbers though, and agree
>with dalai that access is our future, so the more awareness created
>and constructive response given/received the better off climbing will be.
>My thanks go to those who have contributed.

I second M9 on this, and it has been great to see the contributions (in favour of climbing in Sydney
Harbour National Park) from interstate and overseas climbers.

This perhaps confirms that Chockstone is the premier website/forum for Australian climbers?

Notwithstanding the above (possibly) contentious suggestion, it would still be great to see many more
climbers contributing to the forum and commenting in favour of climbing being allowed in this iconic
national park. As stated before, it's not a difficult process, just go to:-

http://sydneyharbourpom.net.au/topic/what-activities-to-allow-or-ban-in-our-national-park


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