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rodw

2-Jan-2010
9:02:03 AM

Page 13 the daily telegraph today article on the ban and our campaign \0/..

also online copy...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-harbour-rockers-on-a-roll-rock-climbing-may-make-a-comeback/story-e6freuy9-1225815340621


IdratherbeclimbingM9

2-Jan-2010
9:41:04 AM

This is great news, ie to hear that the momentum is becoming a little more main stream, as this will make it harder for NPWS to ignore the feedback(?).


kuu

2-Jan-2010
10:45:04 AM

On 2/01/2010 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>This is great news, ie to hear that the momentum is becoming a little more
>main stream, as this will make it harder for NPWS to ignore the feedback(?).

Yes, maybe, but only if the 'mainstream' sentiment is positive (i.e. in favour of climbing) and this could
be a big ask.

Just imagine the direction Pub Talk could go if the topic gets legs in the wider world. You know the
sort of dialogue -- "Why should we have to risk our lives to go and rescue those silly buggers!".

We don't often hear that kind of comment about rock fisherfolk who get overwhelmed by a large wave,
or people who venture offshore in unseaworthy boats. But hey, maybe I'm paranoid?

I just hope the issue is not taken up by the Shock Jocks of Talk Back Radio.


wallwombat

2-Jan-2010
11:13:06 AM

""Rockclimbing as an activity and as a sport has developed and changed in this time [since the ban] immeasurably," David Filan wrote on the forum. "Rockclimbing is generally unobtrusive. Its participants aware and privileged to be where they are. There are 30 to 40 years of recreational rockclimbing [history] on the Sydney sea cliffs."

I can't believe they quoted widewetandslippery. Hilarious

I can hear it now - "Wombat, get me a beer. The esky is unobtrusive and I am immeasurably thirsty"


rodw

2-Jan-2010
11:27:26 AM

And he'd be close to "30 to 40 years of recreational drinking [history] "


kuu

2-Jan-2010
12:45:31 PM

On 2/01/2010 wallwombat wrote:

>I can't believe they quoted widewetandslippery. Hilarious
>
WW, I think I know what you mean ;-)

But David's post on the Forum was thoughtful and restrained and
went to the heart of the matter, succinctly arguing in support of climbers' stance on this issue.

Does being quoted by the Daily Telegraph make him a Celebrity Dude?


wallwombat

2-Jan-2010
12:56:10 PM

On 2/01/2010 kuu wrote:
>But David's post on the Forum was thoughtful and restrained and
>went to the heart of the matter, succinctly arguing in support of climbers'
>stance on this issue.

That's the bit I can't believe.

>Does being quoted by the Daily Telegraph make him a Celebrity Dude?

It probably does and I reckon he will be horrified.

heh heh heh


rodw

2-Jan-2010
3:47:21 PM

Just make sure ya keep the article wombat and one night when hes a bit worst for wear, pull it out and ask for his autograph...its what I did with a copy of screamer when he was on the cover many a year back...he secretly wants to be paris hilton (without the herpes)


wallwombat

2-Jan-2010
4:23:06 PM

On 2/01/2010 rodw wrote:
>Just make sure ya keep the article wombat and one night when hes a bit
>worst for wear, pull it out and ask for his autograph...its what I did
>with a copy of screamer when he was on the cover many a year back...he
>secretly wants to be paris hilton (without the herpes)

When we were in the Warrumbungles, a couple of Easters ago, there were a four old copies of Climbing Magazine lying around Balor Hut. There were photos of him (belaying) in two of them. Then he told me how he spent a trip to the states belaying Robin Erbesfield and I thought to myself "Shit!, I'm climbing with a pretty famous belayer here!"

And Rod, I don't know about the herpes but I reckon Paris Hilton probably smells better.

widewetandslippery

4-Jan-2010
7:52:24 AM

The key to dealing with government is pig fat and vodka.

In all seriousness though its good to see a positive spin in the media.

And wombat remember not only am I famous belayer I also bolt routes I cant climb.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

18-Jan-2010
5:13:26 PM

>its good to see a positive spin

... also good to see NPWS positive feedback.

http://sydneyharbourpom.net.au/topic/allow-rock-climbing-in-the-sydney-harbour-national-park

>Project Coordinator Comment 13
>Project Team
>3:05pm, 5 January 2010
>1 0

>The online discussion about rock climbing has given us a much better understanding of community interest and views on that issue.
>Please be assured that we are listening and that all the contributions will be read and considered.
>As managers of the Sydney Harbour National Park we need to consider the potential impacts of all recreational activities on the environment and other visitors and safety issues.
>We want to actively engage with the climbing community in developing successful policies and would ask that if any contributors wish to stay individually informed that you register your details as indicated on the front page of the website.

>admin Comment 13.1
>Administrator
>12:10pm, 8 January 2010
>0 0
> To register your details as indicated above please go to:
>http://www.sydneyharbourpom.net.au/shnp?module=feedback
>and complete the feedback form.

... along with a number of new positive posts to the discussion since I last checked it.

Link to 'The Fear - North Head' ... a Chockstone thread for those wanting further gossip on one climb in the area of concern.


ajfclark

3-Sep-2010
7:37:58 AM

Got an email about this this morning:

The National Parks and Wildlife Service NSW is currently undertaking a revision of the Plan of Management for Royal National Park, Heathcote National Park and Garawarra State Conservation Area.

The existing Plan of Management for the three areas was written in 2000 and is now being revised. This is an important opportunity to talk about how these Reserves are managed and their significance to you and your community. Understanding this will assist the National Parks and Wildlife Service NSW in determining priorities for future management.

You're invited to join our online discussion forum to contribute your thoughts and download a copy of the current plan.

Please forward this email to your colleagues and friends who may be interested.

I can't see any difference at the site, but I figured bumping this back up couldn't hurt.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

3-Sep-2010
8:53:05 AM

On 3/09/2010 ajfclark wrote:
>Got an email about this this morning
(snip)
>I can't see any difference at the site, but I figured bumping this back up couldn't hurt.

Thanks for that.
I have checked back from time to time but the site has been quiet (from a climbing perspective) for quite a while now.

Getting the final result from some Gov Dpts is like finding hens teeth!
~> I have enquired further about both this POM progress, and also the Balls Pyramid/Lord Howe Island POM, but with no outcome, yet...
_{If I was belaying them, my headtorch batt would have gone flat by now! heh, heh, heh.}


ajfclark

3-Sep-2010
9:13:06 AM

On 3/09/2010 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>_{If I was belaying them, my headtorch batt would have gone flat by now! heh, heh, heh.}

You don't belay in the dark?


nmonteith

3-Sep-2010
9:27:35 AM

Should I start another topic entitled Royal National Park Management plan - or rename this topic to be just Sydney National Park Management Plans?


IdratherbeclimbingM9

3-Sep-2010
9:29:19 AM

ajf wrote;
>You don't belay in the dark?

I do, but occasionally like to see what is happening by spotlighting ahead.
~> ... which is the point, as even at that rate the bureau-batt would still need a charge!

hargs

3-Sep-2010
9:30:45 AM

I'd rename this one -- there's not enough activity on either to warrant separate threads. Might be useful to include the council management plans too as they're also under review.


nmonteith

3-Sep-2010
9:40:03 AM

Please add your pro-climbing comments to this forum thread please!
http://sydneyharbourpom.net.au/topic/are-you-interested-in-the-management-of-royal-national-park

Philtown

3-Sep-2010
9:46:15 AM

A lot of the focus on the Royal POM is around the shacks these days. We (family has had one for 4 generations) have been fighting the wish for the parks to reclaim them all for the past 10+ years, with some big developments in the last few.

No idea what the NPWS thoughts are with regards to climbing in the Royal. Anyone know of any established areas? (I doubt the eagle would go down too well...)


nmonteith

3-Sep-2010
10:09:18 AM

Rockford is the major area in Royal NP that gets traffic. Lots of chalk and bolts means it probably isn't very compatible with NP service.

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