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climbing = dating?

IdratherbeclimbingM9
30/10/2008
11:19:18 AM
On 30/10/2008 Sabu wrote:
>you are right except for the fact that old people get lazy!!

Ahh, glasshopper.

~> You have so much to learn!

westie
30/10/2008
11:21:51 AM
On 29/10/2008 hero wrote:

>humanism may have been defined by a white middleclass (more likely aristocrat)
>male but it is not a theory, it is core question about about species. Can
>we rise above the dumb monkey nature we clearly have?

The fundamental principle central to humanist philosophy is that we are all equal at root and everyone's experience is valid. Camus, Satre et al expanded upon this through existentialism to document the individual's yearning for meaning and recognition in the universe and an intergration of society into a Utopian ideal. Feminism is not at odds with this but a reflection of the principle through a particular section of society (feminists). The opinions of white middle class males are as valid as those of women & children, black and white, the poor or the wealthy.

BigMike
30/10/2008
11:33:46 AM
On 30/10/2008 westie wrote:

>The opinions of white middle class males are as valid as those of women
>& children, black and white, the poor or the wealthy.

Especially when I'm a white middle class male!!!

billk
30/10/2008
11:43:14 AM
On 30/10/2008 westie wrote:
>On 29/10/2008 hero wrote:
>
>The fundamental principle central to humanist philosophy is that we are
>all equal at root and everyone's experience is valid. Camus, Satre et al
>

You forgot to include Ali G who memorably stated:

"We all come from da same punani."
Wendy
30/10/2008
12:43:36 PM
On 30/10/2008 westie wrote:
>
>The fundamental principle central to humanist philosophy is that we are
>all equal at root and everyone's experience is valid. Camus, Satre et al
>expanded upon this through existentialism to document the individual's
>yearning for meaning and recognition in the universe and an intergration
>of society into a Utopian ideal. Feminism is not at odds with this but
>a reflection of the principle through a particular section of society (feminists).
>The opinions of white middle class males are as valid as those of women
>& children, black and white, the poor or the wealthy.

At last, we have finally made it back to the Bald Soprano! Absurdist theatre has some roots in existentialism. Satre theorises that there is nothing but existance, we define who we are through our actions (or more specificly, how others make meaning of our actions), thus who we are is constantly changing and people are constantly battling with the lack of intrinsic meaning in life, the absurdity of life and fighting subject/object relations with others. People have then tried to make existance instrinsicly meaningful by creating things like religion, which Satre called "mauvais foi", which is sort of like self deception which helps them cope with the "angoisse" , the alientation and anguish of being stuck in a meaningless world with no actual control of how others see you. It probalby all sounds outrageously negative, but basically it's saying to buck up and take responsibility for your actions. Now, you've reminded me of all that, how can I get that into my essay ....

I'm not saying that these white middle class males opinions aren't valid, merely dominant and it's nice to take them for what they are, theories rather than facts, occasionally and examine how their life situation influenced their view on the world and how they compare to other theories, analyses and adaptions people in other situation have produced.

Do we need a new topic on "the can(s) of worms" so this thread can get back to the important business of climbing and dating?
Wendy
30/10/2008
1:03:08 PM
On 30/10/2008 BigMike wrote:
>
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8473838/
>
>
I found this study mildy disturbing! Let's offer a bunch of at risk guys a circumcision and see if they still get AIDS ... I'm with anthonyk on this one - virtually 100% prevention rate with condoms vs some dubious results in an uncontrolled study that they didn't get published that contradicts previous studies. How did they explain the scenario to those poor guys who participated?

I saw a documentary a while ago about how catholic missionaries in Africa are telling people that condoms don't prevent the spread of aids (their claim was that the virus is small enough to pass through the condom!!) and the only answer is abstinance - which might fit very well with their religion, but seems a disasterous way of addressing the problem to me. Not to mention the spread of misinformation.

Eduardo Slabofvic
30/10/2008
1:15:28 PM
On 30/10/2008 Wendy wrote:
>Satre theorises that there is nothing but existance, we define who we are through our actions (or more
specificly, how others make meaning of our actions), thus who we are is constantly changing and people
are constantly battling with the lack of intrinsic meaning in life, the absurdity of life and fighting subject/
object relations with others. People have then tried to make existance instrinsicly meaningful by creating
things like religion, which Satre called "mauvais foi", which is sort of like self deception which helps them
cope with the "angoisse" , the alientation and anguish of being stuck in a meaningless world with no
actual control of how others see you. It probalby all sounds outrageously negative, but basically it's
saying to buck up and take responsibility for your actions. Now, you've reminded me of all that, how can I
get that into my essay ....


That's the best description of Chockstone I've ever heard. Maybe the mods could post this on the home
page, as it describes what goes on here much more accurately than what’s currently there.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
30/10/2008
1:18:06 PM
Wendy wrote:
>People have then tried to make existance instrinsicly meaningful by creating things like religion, which Satre called "mauvais foi", which is sort of like self deception which helps them cope with the "angoisse" , the alientation and anguish of being stuck in a meaningless world with no actual control of how others see you. It probalby all sounds outrageously negative, but basically it's saying to buck up and take responsibility for your actions.

... It all sounds rather like Chockstone sometimes.

[Post edit; Am slow today as ES got in while I was still typing. Either I am not as weird as aid climbers are made out to be, or ES is crossing the line. Heh, heh, heh.]

>climbing and dating?

... was easier to read before my head started hurting, and I don't have a good excuse like Macciza for that.
Heh, heh, heh.


[:-)]
Wendy
30/10/2008
1:48:16 PM
Ever read Satre's No Exit? 3 people stuck in hell (a small room with comfy couches) trying to convince each other that they were things that they were not for eternity. Maybe there's a lot in this stuff for Chockstone ...

Zebedee
30/10/2008
1:51:20 PM
Sartre- Hell is other people.
Chockstone- Hell is an internet forum.
There is a lesson there for all of us.
widewetandslippery
30/10/2008
1:59:22 PM
Beckett: the mistake one makes is to speak to people

me; what the f--- am I doing.

westie
30/10/2008
2:04:47 PM
On 30/10/2008 Zebedee wrote:
>Sartre- Hell is other people.
>Chockstone- Hell is an internet forum.
>There is a lesson there for all of us.

yea-huh. Personally I preferred Camus. His novels were more accessible - The Outsider The Plague etc... He didn't display the melancholy that Satre did. In terms of philosophy and academia he ran rings around Satre. Try 'The Rebel' by Camus for example.

BigMike
30/10/2008
2:15:40 PM
On 30/10/2008 westie wrote:
>Try 'The Rebel' by Camus for example.

Prefer Bowie's version.
Wendy
30/10/2008
2:41:31 PM
On 30/10/2008 Zebedee wrote:
>Sartre- Hell is other people.
>Chockstone- Hell is an internet forum.
>There is a lesson there for all of us.


It's just a generational difference - internet forums are the medium through we relate to other people these days ...

tnd
30/10/2008
2:53:22 PM
On 30/10/2008 Sabu wrote:
>...
>Yea thats where i was heading, and you are right except for the fact that
>old people get
>lazy!!

In my case, laziER.

Robb
31/10/2008
2:49:09 PM
On 28/10/2008 Cookie wrote:

>
>Angelina's a slag!! Miranda's a ponce, Jen Hawkins is stuck up... i would
>say Catherine Zita Jones would be my choice if i could look like someone

notice how how highly critical women are of each other. Imagine the criticism that is directed at guys. ... no wonder they are scared/ scarred.

Cookie
1/11/2008
7:47:32 PM

>notice how how highly critical women are of each other. Imagine the criticism
>that is directed at guys. ... no wonder they are scared/ scarred.
>

people that are in the media chose fame, with fame comes people being critical of them :) i must say i'm an absolute horror when it comes to celebrity females, they have to be perfect or i pick them to pieces... never sit with me and watch project runway... to many a time i will stand ans shout "she's not a model, i cant see her ribs!!!"

regardless, women (well most) are critical of everyone, its keeping tact and keeping our mouths shut when it's inappropriate that counts :)
noclimberboys
1/11/2008
10:44:54 PM
Wow and wow! How this post has changed directions. It's great though. I love the conversations going on here. I like that people feel they can speak their mind but also listen to others.

I have a confession to make... Unrequited Love

I was watching Spider Man 2 tonight and maybe I'm PMS'ing but I loved it so much! I almost cried. I loved when MJ finds out Spiderman is Peter Parker and the building is collapsing around them. MJ is trapped under a heavy beam and Spiderman is wrestling to hold up a building... he says 'MJ if we die I want you to know...' and MJ finishes his sentence by saying '... that I love you even though you said you didn't'.

My confession is not that I love Spiderman 2 (even though I do), rather it's that I have heart aching unrequited love.

I fell in love years ago with this amazing guy. Serendipity was how he described our meeting. he introduced me to climbing and the beauty of australian country. I fell in love with him so rapidly but didn't know how to handle my emotions. I thought we would grow old together. But I didn't know how to make all this happen. Instead I freaked out and told him I didn't love him, he was so hurt and left, I begged him to come back, he would...continuous for almost a year. No wonder he left...

Now, he's nolonger mine (as mentioned he's with someone else). I thought I was okay, thought I had gotten over him but realised that each time I see him (even if it's been 2 years or 4 years) I digress and wish that things had been different and that events could change. If he just turned around and said hello, I would say 'l love you'. Well, at least that's how it would play out in my mind.

What happened to serendipity?

On another note, I met a guy the other night (infact whilst climbing), there was a little bit of chemistry but when he actually asked me out to dinner - with friends ; ) - I recoiled. I didn't know whether I wanted to or not. Instead I said no and that it was past my bed time.

Gosh, I'm such a lost cause. How can I still be affected all these years later?!?


rightarmbad
2/11/2008
12:38:54 AM
You mean that judge was right when he said that sometimes women mean yes when they say no!
Oh, unrequited love, I think I am falling for you, would you do me the pleasure of saying 'no' if I ask you out for dinner.


It's a pity women don't ask men out more often, then they would realize just how incredibly hurtful it is, when you genuinely care for somebody, and they tell you no.

anthonyk
2/11/2008
11:36:02 AM
On 2/11/2008 rightarmbad wrote:
>It's a pity women don't ask men out more often, then they would realize
>just how incredibly hurtful it is, when you genuinely care for somebody,
>and they tell you no.

another part of it is that after a girl has said no to someone, don't ever expect to be asked again.

..which is why i'm surprised girls expect to be swept off their feet and had it laid in front of them from the beginning. surely getting to know people first, like being asked for a more casual meet up like going climbing or even coffee etc (although thats pretty direct) is more practical, but you still write it off like guys are being cowards..

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