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Bringing my dog from UK to Australia

dalai

8-Feb-2008
1:42:51 PM

On 8/02/2008 qman wrote:
>lets face it there are far more offensive things around that a dog on
>a leash.

I think the dogs in question aren't on a leash...

qman

8-Feb-2008
1:51:50 PM

but isnt that the point that Dogs, Kids, Smoking, music etc.. all need to be responsibly managed by the person responsible.

Dog - pick up poos, keep them contained (on a leash or on comand for well trained dogs)
Smoking - go down wind and away from others, and take your butts
music etcc..

That was my point is that you are placing all dogs and dog owners in a box where really it is a small minority that are the problem.

8-Feb-2008
2:17:17 PM

>That was my point is that you are placing all dogs and dog owners in a
>box where really it is a small minority that are the problem.

qman once again thats not correct. maybe this is not an issue in your country (NZ according to your profile) but ANY dog, leashed or not, poop-scooped or not, freaks out native animals. Aussie wildlife has only a few % of its original habitat left. On the other hand dogs can go pretty much wherever they like in the remaining 90%+. Even the best behaved dogs with the most responsible owners simply should not be taken into the Australian bush.


wallwombat

8-Feb-2008
2:32:32 PM

This is how I stand . I love dogs. Dogs should not be taken to crags and most of the time, they shouldn't be taken into to the bush. When they are they should be leashed and their feces should be picked up by their owner. And all dogs should be desexed!


IdratherbeclimbingM9

8-Feb-2008
4:56:15 PM

On 8/02/2008 wallwombat wrote:
>And all dogs should be desexed!

OK ... in the theme of one who went before and took a bait ... (not that I need to but I feel like stirring);

Seems there are many forms of birth control for pets used in Australia.
Why it seems only yesterday that I heard on this site how the taswegians use decapitation to control the numbers of wombat population growth from overtaking tassie. It must be a good technique as it also seems at Ben Lomond they use the same tactic to stop the feral growth of bolts escaping into the wild! ...

Heh, heh, uhuh?


ado_m

8-Feb-2008
5:12:53 PM

Desexed? How would you like your balls cut off?

climberman

8-Feb-2008
6:15:10 PM

On 8/02/2008 ado_m wrote:
>Desexed? How would you like your balls cut off?

Fark, I'm already married. They live on the shelf.


Capt_mulch

9-Feb-2008
2:23:18 AM

> I'm a smoker and I love having a cigarette after I lead a climb.
> But then again, I'm a pretty offensive person all round. I like getting drunk and starting fights > too and I have terrible taste in music. And my feet smell.

Thank god. Sounds like we're going to get on fine this weekend ww!!


Capt_mulch

9-Feb-2008
2:40:53 AM

> Desexed? How would you like your balls cut off?
Consider my wife and the wombats in Tassie. How would you like your head cut off? In New Georgia in the Solomon Islands the locals show everyone a tree that has an over-grown horizontal chop mark in it. It's from where a guy took someone's head off with one blow about a hundred years ago in a head hunting raid. It's a great tourist attraction. Kinda creepy...

BTW - all the local mutts in the Solomons look suspiciously like Dingos. I read that to get pure blood Dingo stock some researchers had to go to Thailand. Come to think of it, there were a lot of Dingo looking dogs in Thailand too. Hmmm, I think we've been beaten to most of the crags in Oz by Canis familiaris. I think all them fuzzy little critters out there have been scared for a long time...

TonyB

9-Feb-2008
6:43:14 AM

On 8/02/2008 nmonteith wrote:
>Did a dog bite you when you were a kid TonyB?

I thought I'd get a bite. No I haven't been bitten, but a friend was nipped on the ankle by an unleashed dog in the street. He picked up an infection from the bite, which chewed out a heart valve and he died quickly. His wife subsequently suicided.

Domestic dogs also have their share of suffering (ranging through slipped discs, hip problems, overheating to eating difficulties) as a result of inbreeding to produce various "desirable" visual characteristics ... all for the pleasure of their selfish owners.

I sometimes wonder what aliens from another planet would think if they were watching dog owners ... dog in front with man walking behind, picking up its shit ... who are these sickies down there?

qman

9-Feb-2008
8:26:12 AM

to be honest in think they (the aliens) will be more confused by the practise of rock climbing!!!


Capt_mulch

9-Feb-2008
10:01:51 AM

> the practise of rock climbing!!!
I prefer to call it an art. That way, no matter how bad I am, I can say that it's my own interpretation.


climbau

9-Feb-2008
11:22:03 AM

I love my dog. He isn't gun shy, he tracks and chases down deer, brings down those pigs, and gets me a good feed of Wombat on a good day. He also loves chasing hoppers, and enjoys chewing on the squawkers! :)) Hehehe

qman

9-Feb-2008
7:17:48 PM

Just to clarify and few things, yes i live in NZ, but i am Aussie, have a Ba Ap Sci in natural resource management and have working threatened species conservation work in NSW.

Studies have proven that there have actually been more possums (ringtails and brushtails) in urban yards that have dogs than those without. as the dogs keep the cats away and the possums stay away from dogs in the trees.

I am as green as they come,

Cats, foxes, weeds, fire regime and loss of habitat are the fundemental threats to wildlife and domestic dogs is way down the list ( with the notable exception of koalas in urban areas)

Wild dogs are a different story but thats not what we are talking about.

Dogs under control in bushland (on leash or command) are not a threat to native animals. But as i said before, firstly i respect the land manager which means generally NPs and farmland are out which leave a very few crags on private or council land.

the situation is similar in NZ and there are very few crag that you can take dogs to.

TonyB

10-Feb-2008
9:11:37 AM

>Dogs under control in bushland (on leash or command) are not a threat

Walk through bushland areas and see for yourself ... (near here - Manly dam, Barrenjoey etc) ... most dogs, especially those in areas illegally, are not "under control". This is the typical result:

http://www.geocities.com/australiancats/30361.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/content/images/2007/05/22/sam_face_203x152.jpg

20,000 attacks like this every year in Australia.


Rich

11-Feb-2008
12:54:21 AM

On 8/02/2008 tnd wrote:
>On 8/02/2008 nmonteith wrote:
>>You can take them
>>to many crags in the Blue Mountains and Nowra, and to Camels Hump closer
>>to home.
>
>You can Neil, but that doesn't mean they're welcome.
>
>I've discussed this often with fellow climbers, and my feeling is that
>if there are a dozen people at a crag and one of them has a dog, then there
>are two people who are happy to have the dog there (the owner and his climbing
>partner), perhaps four more who don't mind at all, and the rest, about
>50% in other words, who will sullenly accept the dog's presence (because
>it's legal) but would prefer that it wasn't there. So you have one person
>who is effectively spoiling the enjoyment of several others. That doesn't
>seem like a very sociable outcome.
>
>
>

I don't suppose there were a few harsh words muttered about the pooch in question to your mates before you sought their opinions tnd? I believe your views are extreme in this matter and there are many people with widely differing opinions, myself included.

I'm more than happy to have a well-behaved (read: non-barking) dog at the crag. Belaying can be a bit boring sometimes and it gives you someone(!) to talk while your mate's perhaps thrashing around and slumping continuously onto the rope! ;) Some crags of course are not at all suited to dogs and can get in the way if there's not much room. I reckon the enviro damage is a bs argument just quietly. People walking in crash through foliage, create tracks, etc while dogs just pad happily behind.

But.. like I said, everyone has their own opinions.

TonyB

11-Feb-2008
9:10:42 AM

An update on dog attack figures from Australian Companion Animal Council:

Australians attacked by dogs each year = 100,000
Dog bite victims requiring hospital treatment = 14,000

If you are incapable of normal relationships and must have a dog for whatever twisted purpose, keep your f*****g mongel on a leash. Hopefully it will bite you before it bites the face off a child.

dalai

11-Feb-2008
9:28:24 AM

On 11/02/2008 Rich wrote:
>I reckon the enviro damage is a bs argument just quietly. People walking in crash >through foliage, create tracks, etc while dogs just pad happily behind.

I beleive it's more their scent scaring off the native wildlife Rich...


wallwombat

11-Feb-2008
9:43:53 AM

On 8/02/2008 ado_m wrote:
>Desexed? How would you like your balls cut off?
>

I'm sick of this argument being used when discussing desexing dogs. It's bullshit!

I wouldn't want my balls cut off, but there is also very little likelihood of me jumping your fence and getting your girlfriend pregnant.

I'm not saying it's nice. I'm saying it's necessary. Humans have been desexing animals - dogs, horses, cattle, sheep, cats - for a very long time.It's not done for fun. it's done for a reason.

I believe that everyone who uses the "I'm not getting my dog desexed. How would you like having your nuts cut off" argument should be made to go and do a day at the RSPCA, helping them put down some of the thousands of unwanted puppies they put down each year.

qman

11-Feb-2008
9:44:58 AM

Agressive dogs is another issue,
Dogs that are agressive to people should not be tolerated at all.

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