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Bringing my dog from UK to Australia


wallwombat

7-Feb-2008
1:32:23 PM

Bugger! I didn't notice that Rod had beaten me to the grit question.

Damn you, Rod! Damn you!


wallwombat

7-Feb-2008
1:34:06 PM

On 7/02/2008 gfdonc wrote:
>I love dogs, I just find it hard to eat a whole one by myself.

It's a Jack Russell, Steve. I'm sure you could eat three.

7-Feb-2008
1:47:34 PM

>There is no problem with dogs at a crag (provided the landowner allows them.

sorry but thats not true - any dog in the bush has effects on Australian wildlife. I like dogs but I care far more about maintaining some miniscule vestige of dog-free bush for our cute little native animals etc. Claire has posted on a climbing website so its a fair assumption she'll be going outdoors - so it's actually pretty important to alert such a person from outside Australia to the importance of being aware of and abiding by dog-free zones


wallwombat

7-Feb-2008
1:49:22 PM

I totally agree.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

7-Feb-2008
1:49:58 PM

>She didn't say she was going to take the it climbing.

We don't even know from the info available so far that the owner climbs!(*), let alone takes said woof to crags.

(*Our assumption is 'probably climbs' given the post appeared on a climbing website; ... but it is the internet, and trolls abound).


wallwombat

7-Feb-2008
1:52:21 PM

Maybe it's Hex, being incredibly obtuse.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

7-Feb-2008
1:55:09 PM

I doubt it.

Btw
>No need to sugar coat it, Bill ; )
&
>Lighten up, helmet head!

Sparing the sugar are we?
... & yes I realise the icon connection with the statement, but it reads rough 1st time around!

Heh, heh, heh.

;-)

Re
>had beaten me to the grit question.

Doesn't detract from the importance of the Q though does it!

>what's it done on grit?

~> ... = not effected the Australian wildlife? (inspiration from WM post above).


wallwombat

7-Feb-2008
2:03:23 PM

On 7/02/2008 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:

>Btw
>>No need to sugar coat it, Bill ; )
>&
>>Lighten up, helmet head!
>
>Sparing the sugar are we?
>... & yes I realise the icon connection with the statement, but it reads
>rough 1st time around!

It was purely the icon connection, Rod, and it's not as if I was replying to a polite suggestion to leave said pooch in the UK. I felt it was said in a similar if not lighter spirit as the post I was replying to.

Is that OK with you, Gnu features?


IdratherbeclimbingM9

7-Feb-2008
2:05:57 PM

On 7/02/2008 wallwombat wrote:
>Is that OK with you, Gnu features?

Yep,
~>cosmyiconresemblesthatremark, anIwasonlystirrinmate!

Heh, heh, heh.

;-)

Post edit
BtwIstillthinkit(both?)readsroughonafirstpass

climberman

7-Feb-2008
9:12:42 PM

On 7/02/2008 WM wrote:
>>There is no problem with dogs at a crag (provided the landowner allows
>them.
>
>sorry but thats not true - any dog in the bush has effects on Australian
>wildlife. I like dogs but I care far more about maintaining some miniscule
>vestige of dog-free bush for our cute little native animals etc. Claire
>has posted on a climbing website so its a fair assumption she'll be going
>outdoors - so it's actually pretty important to alert such a person from
>outside Australia to the importance of being aware of and abiding by dog-free
>zones

Dingos ?

claireM

7-Feb-2008
9:20:41 PM

well. he loves grit he finds the friciton great and has bouldered V1 and solo'd up to severe......

but really, he is well behaved and isnt allowed anywhere dogs shouldn't go and stays home if we climb anywhere dogs aren't welcome...

climbingjac

8-Feb-2008
12:12:04 AM

Hi Claire

Just a quick note to let you know dogs are allowed at some crags, but not all, due to the fact that they cause distress to local wildlife. One such crag is, I believe, Mt Arapiles. Just check before you turn up :-) Other people might know more about this.

qman

8-Feb-2008
6:03:47 AM

what effect can a dog on a lease have on your little fuzzy critters?

i can assure you that feral cats, foxs, weeds are the demise of the little critters not responsible dog owners.

qman

8-Feb-2008
6:14:52 AM

and by the way the tennure of the crags means that this is pretty hypothetical as they are either in national parks or on private farming land and the first rule is to respect the landowner. and dogs are prohibited.

In the odd case where the crag is in state forest or council reserve dogs may be permitted, and as long as people pick up the poos, and dont let them roam and chase wildlife, then go for it i say.

But NEVER bring your kids to any crag its just not right, they may...... ;-)

TonyB

8-Feb-2008
8:51:15 AM

>But NEVER bring your kids to any crag its just not right, they may......

Especially with dogs around ... 20,000 people in Oz receive medical treatment for dog attacks each year and 2000 people are hospitalised as a result of dog attacks ... the victims are mainly kids. A dog can destroy the life of a child.

For me "responsible dog owner" is an oxymoron. About 500,000 unwanted dogs are destroyed each year in Oz including 40,000 dogs which are killed each year by RSPCA. Why bring in more ?

In some situations dogs provide a useful service, such as on farms; for the blind; and in police work. In most situations, dogs are a plaything for emotional cripples who need to control and dominate a living creature. Appreciation of the beauty and freedom of animals in the wild is insufficient to meet their emotional needs. Balanced people form emotional connections with other people and enjoy the freedom of all living things.

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Capt_mulch

8-Feb-2008
9:02:33 AM

> what effect can a dog on a lease have on your little fuzzy critters?
They might be worried that they will become part of the Residual :-)

qman

8-Feb-2008
9:08:20 AM

WOW TonyB, look likes we hit a nerve.

There is nothing free and wild about domesitic dogs. (some less than others)
They are bred to be domestic.

It is unfortuntate that not all dogs are cared for, same with kids.

"responsible parents" is the oxymoron


wallwombat

8-Feb-2008
9:18:37 AM

On 8/02/2008 TonyB wrote:
>In some situations dogs provide a useful service, such as on farms; for
>the blind; and in police work. In most situations, dogs are a plaything
>for emotional cripples who need to control and dominate a living creature.
> Appreciation of the beauty and freedom of animals in the wild is insufficient
>to meet their emotional needs. Balanced people form emotional connections
>with other people and enjoy the freedom of all living things.

OK. I'll take the bait.

My 82 year old grandmother gets more pleasure and companionship from her little Silky Terrier than anything else in the world. Does this make her an emotional cripple?

And there is no domination involved in the relationship.

Claire wants to bring her dog over because it is HER dog and she obviously loves it.

Do you have kids, TonyB? There are thousands of unwanted children in Australia. Why produce more?

I imagine your answer, if you have kids, is that you want children of your own, that you can love and care for.

Well, I imagine that is Claire's answer, too. She wants HER dog, that she loves and cares for. And if she is willing and able (has the money) to bring her dog here, good luck to her.

You forgot one other "useful service" that dogs provide - companionship for misanthropes like me and my grandmother. I've met hundreds of people I didn't like but I've never met a dog I didn't like!


Macciza

8-Feb-2008
9:35:13 AM

I think we are all forgetting that it will still have to sit the 'dogizen test' so it will have to know all our great
cattledogs as well as the real story behind the 'TuckerBox' incident and also recognise postal workers.

Gaining work could prove a problem as well, even if they have a trade they may need retraining.
Not meaning to sound discouraging, but have you thought of a pet wombat or wallaby instead . . .


nmonteith

8-Feb-2008
9:41:32 AM

Did a dog bite you when you were a kid TonyB? Dogs are great! (maybe not so great at the crag). Dogs and humans have been matched up for tens of thousands of years. The bond between our two species is probably the strongest of any other animal.

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