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cruxmag

28-Sep-2006
4:53:47 PM

*4 available now!! (finally i have my own copy)


IdratherbeclimbingM9

28-Sep-2006
5:10:42 PM

On 28/09/2006 cruxmag wrote:
>*4 available now!! (finally i have my own copy)

Fancy that, a 'hot off the press - brand new mag - editor' wanting a retro publication from the 80's!
... nmonteith better get in quick or he will miss out (written tongue in cheek P:)
heh, heh, heh.

wyt91t

1-Oct-2006
10:59:43 AM

its a rock it sticks out of the ground. just climb it anyways then say you didnt know any better what are they gonna do throw you in lock up for life no maybe max 1 night. and a little fine. they cant do more than that. thats if they catch you

Paul

1-Oct-2006
1:11:37 PM

On 1/10/2006 wyt91t wrote:
>its a rock it sticks out of the ground. just climb it anyways then say
>you didnt know any better what are they gonna do throw you in lock up for
>life no maybe max 1 night. and a little fine. they cant do more than that.
>thats if they catch you
>

That is a very selfish attitude, the actions of a few people can spoil things for everyone.

It is about respecting other peoples cultural sites and practices


Andrew_M

1-Oct-2006
8:49:20 PM

On 1/10/2006 wyt91t wrote:
>its a rock it sticks out of the ground. just climb it anyways then say
>you didnt know any better what are they gonna do throw you in lock up for
>life no maybe max 1 night. and a little fine. they cant do more than that.
>thats if they catch you
>
Good thinking, but why stop there? Climb up via the tourist walk and rap bolt a new route. You'll have to go at night of course, and maybe use a hand drill with a rubber mallet or something to keep the noise down. You'll work it out. Oh yeah, chip some holds as well if you need to. If you get sprung, just act like you didn't know.

crikey


Phil Box

2-Oct-2006
10:00:46 AM

On 28/09/2006 gremlin wrote:
>Walk into a graveyard/war memorial/stadium/museum/church then climb up
>the walls, placing pro, rigging ropes, yelling out climbing calls, the
>odd bolt here and there... My guess is that you would soon be arrested...

Hee hee, I bouldered the walls of the huge cathedral at Amiens in France. I sooooo wanted to climb the arch at the front door, all those apostles and saints made awesome handholds that were just begging to be climbed on. High ball boulder up one side and down tuther, woulda been wicked but there were too many people around even that early in the morning. Shoulda went back there at night. I also bouldered the walls around the old city of Jerusalem, had to be careful of all the guards with the guns. Oh yes I should also mention the walls around the old city of Istanbul and the Top Kapi Palace. Mind you this was early in the morning and I had a c--katoo keeping watch for me.

Bob Saki

2-Oct-2006
10:39:27 AM

On 2/10/2006 Phil Box wrote:
>>
>Hee hee, I bouldered the walls of the huge cathedral at Amiens in France.
>I sooooo wanted to climb the arch at the front door, all those apostles
>and saints made awesome handholds that were just begging to be climbed
>on. High ball boulder up one side and down tuther, woulda been wicked but
>there were too many people around even that early in the morning. Shoulda
>went back there at night. I also bouldered the walls around the old city
>of Jerusalem, had to be careful of all the guards with the guns. Oh yes
>I should also mention the walls around the old city of Istanbul and the
>Top Kapi Palace. Mind you this was early in the morning and I had a c--katoo
>keeping watch for me.

You are no doubt ready to climb Ayers Rock then then? heheh

wyt91t

3-Oct-2006
1:00:10 AM

On 1/10/2006 Paul wrote:

>That is a very selfish attitude, the actions of a few people can spoil
>things for everyone.
>
no sorry paul, not good enough.Name one case where the actions of a few people have stopped the climbing of a historic rock. onlyin australia do we have these bullshit laws.

anyways to climb or not to climb thats my choice not yours.
it is also my choice what i climb, not yours dont forget that.


nmonteith

3-Oct-2006
8:50:32 AM

On 3/10/2006 wyt91t wrote:
>Name one case where the actions of a few
>people have stopped the climbing of a historic rock.

If you are talking about climbing areas being banned because of dickheads stuffing it up for others then
there is plenty! Shady Buttress and Western Wall in Queensland come to mind. These were major areas
in the early 90s but have been permanatly banned because climbers couldn't behave themselves and the
(private) landowner shut up shop - for good. The Three Sisters is another climb that if you were caught
you would be seriously affecting how National Parks treats climbers at other Bluies crags.


rodw

3-Oct-2006
9:59:08 AM

The Three Sisters (West Wall) is a good example of Nat Parks being complete wankers about access........NSW nat parks couldn't really treat climbers re access much worse than they do......I don't climb in banned areas (that I know of)...but normally access issues is a bit of give and take...and NSW nat parks in general (with a few exceptions), like the take bit to much and ain't to good on the giving. To get respect you got to give respect which is generally lacking for our sport amongst the decision makers at NPNSW.

paul

3-Oct-2006
12:43:06 PM

On 3/10/2006 wyt91t wrote:
>On 1/10/2006 Paul wrote:
>
>>That is a very selfish attitude, the actions of a few people can spoil
>>things for everyone.
>>
>no sorry paul, not good enough.Name one case where the actions of a few
>people have stopped the climbing of a historic rock. onlyin australia do
>we have these bullshit laws.
>
>anyways to climb or not to climb thats my choice not yours.
>it is also my choice what i climb, not yours dont forget that.

My comment "the actions of a few people can spoil things for everyone" was intended as a general one not spesific to a single historic or cultural site.

kieranl

3-Oct-2006
9:36:30 PM

>On 3/10/2006 wyt91t wrote:
>>anyways to climb or not to climb thats my choice not yours.
>>it is also my choice what i climb, not yours dont forget that.
>
So true. It would be nice to think that some judgement was used when making that choice rather hubristic egoism and narcissism.
You can never make a truly informed choice to climb unless you know the implications of your decision.
You wouldn't (hopefully) set out to solo the Caroline Face of Aorangi after doing a basic mountaineering course. Not unless you actually wanted to die.
Likewise you shouldn't sneer at aboriginal beliefs and wishes regarding climbing on Uluru and Kata Tjuta without doing a bit of research and understanding the consequences of your actions for yourself, other climbers and the traditional owners.
It sounds very touchy-feely but there are real issues of ownership, culture and respect involved.
A good example of a climb done without much thought was Dean Potter's solo of Delicate Arch in the US. I'm not going to particularly argue the rights and wrongs of what he did, but it is one of those "What on earth was he thinking?" events. The consequences were forseeable but he didn't seem to have much awareness of them.
Probably the major impact on other climbers from people climbing Uluru or kata Tjuta would not be from the parks services. Climbing there is banned so how much more banned can it get? I think it would have most impact on people getting access to climb on other aboriginal land. Climbers who have lived around Alice Springs would have a better idea on this.
So, wyt91t, make your own choices but please understand what you are choosing.
End of pontification :)


The good Dr

3-Oct-2006
10:22:18 PM

On 26 October 1985 the Australian government returned ownership of Uluru to the local Pitjantjatjara and Yankunytjatjara Aborigines. This was under the agreement that the area be leased back to the government for 99 years as a national park. One of the (reluctantly agreed) conditions of the lease was that climbing of the rock be allowed by the current tourist route only.

The place is private property, so if you want to climb it, discuss it with the owners as is done in many other parts of the country. You never know, they might agree to your request ;)


Zebedee

4-Oct-2006
9:59:59 AM

On 3/10/2006 wyt91t wrote:

>anyways to climb or not to climb thats my choice not yours.
>it is also my choice what i climb, not yours dont forget that.
Anyways to crap or not to crap that's my choice not yours
it is also my choice where I crap, not yours don't forget that.
So if I lay one down on your mother's grave or in your soup remember that I am just excercising my choice.


BigMike

6-Oct-2006
12:48:04 PM

On 3/10/2006 wyt91t wrote:

>no sorry paul, not good enough.Name one case where the actions of a few
>people have stopped the climbing of a historic rock. onlyin australia do
>we have these bullshit laws.

How about the United States? Climbing is banned for a month each year on Devil's Tower, I believe. And as far as I know, a lot of the rock spires in Utah - such as in Monument Valley - are completely closed to climbing.


nmonteith

6-Oct-2006
12:57:59 PM

On 6/10/2006 BigMike wrote:
>How about the United States? Climbing is banned for a month each year
>on Devil's Tower, I believe. And as far as I know, a lot of the rock spires
>in Utah - such as in Monument Valley - are completely closed to climbing.

Yep - you are right on both accounts Mike. They are banned due to being sacred Amercian Indian sites.


cruze

6-Oct-2006
1:07:21 PM

Climbing on a little crag near Canberra called Red Rocks is banned from August to January to allow the Peregrines to breed uninterupted. Probably not that uncommon. Could be pretty nasty if people decided to climb there - it is quite a public spot and the risk would be that climbing at the crag would cease to exist.


Phil Box

6-Oct-2006
1:25:19 PM

One thing that climbers should never do and that is to tell any nat parks people that saw a rock wallaby at their fav cliff.


BigMike

6-Oct-2006
1:27:19 PM

On 6/10/2006 Phil Box wrote:
>One thing that climbers should never do and that is to tell any nat parks
>people that saw a rock wallaby at their fav cliff.

What, like the ones I saw half way up the Organ Pipes?


vwills

6-Oct-2006
2:51:27 PM

Devils tower climbing is officially banned in areas because of nesting birds throughout the year. Climbing in the month of June is a voluntary closure because of Indian mythology and beliefs and the sacredness of the site.
I would argue that the climbers on Devils tower during that period were far more respectful than the 1000s of fat loudmouth gawking tourists trashing the path around the base. I confess I climbed it because I was ignorant and turned up at that time of year, and then hooked up with a local climber who has lived there many years, used to be a ranger and has done many FAs on it, and was able to argue his points for ascent quite convincingly.
However if I went there again (ah the joys of phonolite porphyry- I almost loved cracks) I would make sure to stay away in the voluntary ban period.
And I'd never climb on, or ascend Ayers rock now, but did run up it many years ago before it was handed back to its traditional owners.

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