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Vic Ranges Bouldering - FINALS!!!


..::- Chris -::..

10-Sep-2003
1:53:06 PM

hmmm yes but I beleive a count back method was used when the scores were tied....
So those people who stuck around and tried all the problems and participated more were rewarded....

So as I said before Split the Lot into 2 , find the middle amount if there is a tie then a count back, this is also great for the comp as it promotes all climbers doing all problems and it often is cool seeing some of the top guys cruising through some of the easier problems, you can often learn from watching these guys do the easier problems..

I haven't actually been to any of the vic ranges comps, (Still in morning over the Mill hehehe) I used to help run the mill bouldering comps, route setting etc etc

Question for you, do both Open and intermediate compete on the same routes ??
If not then I would have thought people climbing really hard would get bored of doing the easier problems ??
If everyone is competing in the same area on the same routes then why would someone (with a competive nature) choose to go in open, when they can enjoy the same problems as the open competitors and still score a prize at the end of it ?? It is the same problem thats occurs in sports like, Tennis squash basketball and any sport where you can enter at any level you choose....

Anyways I do hear good things, and hopefully I'll get down to a comp to have a look...
Cheers
Chris.

Corinne

10-Sep-2003
3:57:39 PM

Chris,

As an ex-Miller myself, the comp is run like pulling down the house, count back is tedious and a lot of hassle when people just want their scores and to get out of there. Given that the prizes are just a small bag of chalk, the people who don't get a place can just deal with it!
Maybe you should come to one of the rounds before you comment on how they should be run.

Thanks

Corinne


GG

10-Sep-2003
4:35:00 PM

Corinne, I understand that you run the comps for fun and it is really appreciated. Hopefully the comps will thrive and more people will turn up. It would be nice to see the results. These could be displayed at the following rounds (or even just posted on the wall at Vic Ranges).

I think Intermediates should be dropped for all rounds except the Final. If it can't be done fairly then it shouldn't be done at all!

Just a thought - What is the benefit of entering a competition when you can just turn up the day after and boulder the comp routes?


tmarsh

10-Sep-2003
4:56:26 PM

On 10/09/2003 Gareth wrote:

>Just a thought - What is the benefit of entering a competition when you
>can just turn up the day after and boulder the comp routes?

For some people, competition is the spur they need to crank extra hard and tick the problem. Knowing that you need to get one more grade x and you have only 10 minutes left is a powerful motivator.

I suppose other people boulder better away from the pressure of others, but plenty seem to thrive on it.

For me, competition only ever seemed to accellerate the rate at which I got injured.

Cheers,
tim


phil_nev

10-Sep-2003
5:03:27 PM

Gareth, the results of both bouldering rounds are up at vic ranges and have been since straight after te comps. First round results are on a notice boad downstairs near the entrance, seccond round results are upstairs on the eft traverse wall.

Some people are competitive, some more than others, and generaly i belive that competing provides a challenge to ones self, and allows them to gauge their abilty compared toothers.

I dont know though, never competed myself and not planing to, so i could be wrong. The idea of the comps is for a bit of fun.... I thnk the format should be left as is, any changes that need to be made can be made in the next rounds, atm they work so i say leave as is.... If we get dodgy people enetering the wrong division, let them have thier glory while everyone else laughs at them for being to scared to go in open.

Just look at the turnouts to the comp and u will get an dea of how popular they are... Everything seems to be working well.

keep of the good work Chief... :)


alrob

10-Sep-2003
8:44:28 PM

phil i agree that paul should be in opens, that is now i think he should. before neither of us knew what the compettion was going to be like. Also, i'm not having a go here at anyone, just pointing out, that there is a fairly large grey area between opens and intermediate that won't ever be solved. Like joe wasn't too far behind paul. maybe there needs to be harsher grading for the higher problems. Like some softer 8's for those just starting to climb that hard, then some but hard ones, then some softer 9, hard ones etc. I think that the comp at cliffhanger actually had point variations for same graded problems. one 6 might be easier then the other, but doesn't warrant a grade of 5, so might be 55 points instead of 60. I'm not saying that the current grading and setting is bad, but just maybe set some but hard 8's that are almost as hard as a 9, but not quite. therefore you wont have someone roll up all the 8's for 480 points, but some 7's and some 8's cos others are too hard. and if they do want them, they have to really work for it.

hhmmmm, there is a complete lack of capital letters isn't there....lol


phil_nev

10-Sep-2003
8:55:04 PM

Thats exactly how it is al.... Have u been to vic ranges lately???
There are some MEGA hard 8's... Purple LHS arete of big cave for example....
Mega hard purple six that i still havnt done :( , there are actually quite a few problems that are hard at the grade and a small few are easy at the grade, espesialy in tge higher grades.

If we start allocating 8 or 8.25 or 8.5, 7.5 points etc it gets kinda tricky and becomes a lot more work for the voulenteer comp coordinators to work out.....


alrob

10-Sep-2003
9:04:44 PM

yeah, i couldn't get any of the 8's. But when your super humanly strong like paul is, i spose it doesn't matter if theres grade variations, if its an 8, it'll go! lol


GG

11-Sep-2003
10:05:15 AM

Thanks for directing me to the location of the results.

You are right that the format should remain the same for this series. It would be inconsistent to change things now. I don't agree that people laugh at the 'cheats'. The competition process should make attempts to stop them.

I am an avid supporter of the Vic Ranges comps and take every opportunity to try and get people along. In fact I think the only real problem that they face is overcrowding!

My feedback (bang bang) was on a minor gripe. It's just that in virtually every comp that I have entered someone has entered themselves in Beginners or Intermediates and scored way too high.

I am a truly crap boulderer (Only score 270-300). I have no chance of placing. I just really hate seeing genuine entrants robbed by the process/cheats.

Any chance we could get the results posted on Chockstone as I rarely get to Vic Ranges......

Regards

Gareth

Corinne

12-Sep-2003
2:11:20 PM

Hi Gareth,

Firstly, thanks for coming to ALL the rounds, including the fundraiser. Not many have been so dedicated.

Thanks for your input, all your comments have been valid. We will do our best to improve things for the final and maybe next year - if i'm going to run another comp - we can change some things.

Don't sell yourself short, you are a good boulderer (you placed at Boulderdash) and with the categories sorted out in the final you should keep your head up!

Thanks Heaps,

Corinne

Corinne

12-Sep-2003
2:13:12 PM

PS. my absence from this forum has been due to a computer error, i promise i was not ignoring any of the comments, thanks.


Mike

15-Sep-2003
11:51:11 AM

Results of the comp thus far are available here.

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