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Ask yourself - should marijuana be legalised?

wyt91t

22-Aug-2005
1:59:43 PM

Just to look from the other side of the fence;

first 5.14 onsight - done by a "smoker"

first confirmed 5.15 done by a "smoker"

first v14 + v15 done by a "smoker"

:P
yes but i bet my balls that neither the climber or belayer were stoned while climbing maybe after the they pulled cones but i highly dought


IdratherbeclimbingM9

22-Aug-2005
1:59:53 PM

>done by a "smoker"

Gym climbing in S.A. sounds more adventurous than trad?

Bob Saki

22-Aug-2005
2:05:18 PM

On 22/08/2005 Breezy wrote:
>Just to look from the other side of the fence;
>
>first 5.14 onsight - done by a "smoker"
>
>first confirmed 5.15 done by a "smoker"
>
>first v14 + v15 done by a "smoker"
>
>:P

Fair point as well some can handle it (may not be the right word)
I happen to know one successful surgeon who has been a heoin addict for 24 years.(not while on the job)
Obviously it's moderated, controlled and a way of life. And yes I would have him operate on me................................


Rupert

22-Aug-2005
2:08:34 PM

regarding a stoned belayer - they may genuinely think they are more focused on the task, so "into the moment, duuude" but it is proven that reaction times are way sloower. I suspect they would be more likely to let you fall just that little bit further...

Bob Saki

22-Aug-2005
2:11:30 PM

>
>Stoner Joke:
>How do you know if someone smokes dope?
>Q. Do you smoke?
>A. What? Ciggerettes?

so true, so true!

someone I know overseas, has a small steel smoking device rigged up to fit on his harness and at the end of each pitch he'll rip one down. he has a little mix bag beside his chalkbag


DaCrux

22-Aug-2005
2:28:34 PM

On 22/08/2005 Breezy wrote:
>Just to look from the other side of the fence;
>
>first 5.14 onsight - done by a "smoker"
>
>first confirmed 5.15 done by a "smoker"
>
>first v14 + v15 done by a "smoker"
>
Marijuana contains 50% more tar than regular cigarettes, and 70% more benzopyrene (which causes cancer) and may cause emphysema twenty times faster than tobacco. Smoking 2 joints can reduce lung capacity more than smoking one pack of cigarettes and marijuana smoke increases airway resistance by 25%. Teenagers who smoke dope also have diffuse brain impairment for up to 2 months after their last joint and can experience disruptions in learning, short term memory loss, problems concentrating, confusion, declining performance and difficulty finishing tasks. So if you’re a smoker and can onsight 5.15 you’d probably be able to send 5.16 if you weren’t. On the other hand chronic marijuana use can enhance your climbing ability by making you delusional and making you think you’re Chris Sharma (back to my point about sending 5.16) – or it could just make you turn up at your local gym with a pig…
Whether one smokes or doesn’t is really their choice – as long as they don’t endanger other people’s lives.


gremlin

22-Aug-2005
2:38:55 PM

And your source is?


Gunta Skirtpulla

22-Aug-2005
2:42:52 PM

Remember kids. Drugs are bad...mmmmK.

Goodvibes

22-Aug-2005
2:55:05 PM

Beat me to it Gunta.


nmonteith

22-Aug-2005
3:13:41 PM

On 22/08/2005 gremlin wrote:
>And your source is?

This was a great doco on the ABC 4 Corners show. Messing With Heads shows young cannabis users in
treatment for psychosis who speak openly about their experiences, while doctors and drug specialists
explain what the new research means for young people's mental health.
http://abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20050321/

I can speak from first hand experiance. Dope in large quanities is not good for learning anything at
school!


Breezy

22-Aug-2005
4:30:18 PM

On 22/08/2005 wyt91t wrote:
>Just to look from the other side of the fence;
>
>first 5.14 onsight - done by a "smoker"
>
>first confirmed 5.15 done by a "smoker"
>
>first v14 + v15 done by a "smoker"
>
>:P
>yes but i bet my balls that neither the climber or belayer were stoned
>while climbing maybe after the they pulled cones but i highly dought

i happen to know for a fact that one of those was done whilst stoned, not sure
wether the belayer was, but i would assume so hearing the story of the ascent, i wont
say which ascent as i feel at this point all i have have given is common knowledge (ie Sharma smokes pot etc ...) but to go further would not be fair to said person.

To look at pot from a health point of view, cancer, tar, no brain cells etc (lovely stuff btw :P) yes of course it will affect any athletic activity, but to hwat degree is different for every person.

With regards to a 5.15 stoner could climb 5.16 if they didnt smoke i disagree, and again have first hand knowledge but wont digress names as i have no permission or right to ( you will just have to beleive me). I know of a 5.14a climber who smoked pot for about 3 years maybe 3-4 times a week occasionally they would climb stoned (hardest stoned ascent i know of is 5.13c) since quitting the "evil weed" there hardest ascent is 5.13c. Yes im being pedantic and they have only quit smoking for about 1 month but i beleive its each to there own, some can, some cant, some climb better, some climb worse... and yes all will suffer "health" affects :)


nmonteith

22-Aug-2005
4:33:58 PM

If you are still motivated to train hard - the effects of dope is marginal on sport climbing peformance. If
you are into doing enduro mountaineering cardio advenutres which require a long period of sustained
concentration and endurnace then dope may effect your performance a lot more (IMHO).


brat

22-Aug-2005
5:11:55 PM

I had 15 years of substance abuse, cigarettes, alchohol, speed, smoke and prescribed drugs, at 48 I'm in better health than i was as a very active 30 year old (climber, rigger, scaffolder and footy player), I don't think my memory will ever recover (or maybe it wasn't that flash to start with, can't remember)! I can safely say that however good you are whilst taking recreational drugs, as a sports person you will be better now and far better in the future without them! I'm for legalisation of soft drugs, to get it out into the open and disinfranchise hard drug dealers, but all of them reduce your affectiveness!


SNAFU

22-Aug-2005
5:54:14 PM

It seems pretty obvious (to me anyway) that narcotics and climbing simply don't mix. Climbing is hard enough without handicapping yourself. I climbed some fairly easy, short routes at the North Jawbones in the Cathedrals once while mildly "bent" and while it never felt particularly dangerous, I noticed my strength, agility and decision making were somewhat lacking. Needless to say, never again.
As for legalising it, it'd only give the gov't one more thing to squeeze taxes out of, under the guise of trying to protect us from ourselves...

hammok_climber

22-Aug-2005
6:10:27 PM

Personally I wouldn’t smoke a bong if someone offered me a shiny new cam to rip one down. That said, I usually smoke a few joints before and during bouldering or low grade multi pitch trad climbing.
I don’t feel any adverse effects on my climbing or decision making skills, my muscles relax and my mind calms down to watch the moves from a new perspective.
Id imagine bong-stoned climbing as being freaking intense and shakey.

A person who smokes billies before indoor lead climbing quite possibly needs help.
Hopefully being paid out on chockstone is enough to drive a message home.


maxots

22-Aug-2005
7:39:08 PM

you are an absolute retard if you think you're going to be okay, cos you only smoke joints, and those who smoke bongs are heading for death. Its still THC either way! Im always amazed about the amount of bullshit that surrounds weed culture.

hammok_climber

22-Aug-2005
7:51:55 PM

Yeah well that’s just like, your opinion man.


sabu

22-Aug-2005
8:23:19 PM

wow didn't realise there was THAT much of it being use...
well aren't alchohol & marijuana depressents? therefore if they ( im fairly sure they are) then they calm u down like hammok said but they also slow everything else down. Whilst being able to see the moves from that new perspective might be good i doubt it would be good when having to make important fast decisions in an emergency. Not to mention wat would happen if you started tripping out...??? i think it's just as dangerous as climbing under the influence of alchohol maybe even more so depending how much you've had, just imagine wat could happen if u started hallucenating while u were on a multi trad climb .... is that a pink elephant taking out my last piece of pro??


nmonteith

22-Aug-2005
8:35:51 PM

On 22/08/2005 sabu wrote:
>wat would happen
>if you started tripping out...??? just imagine wat could happen if u started hallucenating while u were
>on a multi trad climb .... is that a pink elephant taking out my last piece
>of pro??

You don't hallucinate or 'trip' from marijuana unless you are chuffing down several ounces of the stuff
in the space of an hour. You would have to be trying very very hard to see a pink elephant. Most likely
you would be fast asleep by then ;-)

With alchohol you tend to get a lot more 'stupid' and 'reckless' I find. I have done some very dangerous
things when drunk (ie speed solo sessions with friends). You feel invincible and want to show off.
There is no way I would have done that if I was stoned. Instead I would have found a comfy couch,
some chocolate ice cream and some reggae instead...


sabu

22-Aug-2005
10:20:10 PM

well i've had friends from school who have tripped out on the stuff (i dunno how much they had) but it is possible so IF it were to happen because someone was stupid enough to do the much then it would endanger that person and others around.

and when drunk, after the peak of stupidity or recklessness a person goes downhill to the point of going to sleep, they're soo out of it they don't know how much glad wrap is being used on them.... !!!
personally i think climbing under the influence of anything is reckless and dangerous!!

On 22/08/2005 nmonteith wrote:
>Instead I would
>have found a comfy couch,
>some chocolate ice cream and some reggae instead...
and watched the pink elephants dance around with swirls of pretty colours and rainbows? :P

LOL who's seen that simpsons episode when homer uses medicinal pot!!! that gotta be one of my favorites!!

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