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Ask yourself - should marijuana be legalised?

fish boy

24-Oct-2008
8:28:51 AM

People should stop telling other people what to do.

Sabu, you need to close your hole when it comes to funky cracks and drugs...altough you do insert humor, even if it is at your expense.

Bong on.

hero

24-Oct-2008
8:54:41 AM

"I want to go climbing with Eduardo - he sounds like fun!"

I do. It is.

widewetandslippery

24-Oct-2008
9:37:16 AM

GoUp!, thats why we haven't been climbing for a while, because of my pure nature and alcohol and drug free and god filled lifestyle. Them druggies just drink beer, spirits, smoke pot and wonder around in ever increasing concentric circles in a mist/fog/darkness until they find a tent with more booze in it.....


dom

24-Oct-2008
9:39:02 AM

>On 23/10/2008 evanbb wrote:
>If you wanna make a dick of yourself it's your choice :)))))))

If anyone wants to hear an interesting opinion on drug legalisation from a Nobel laureate who is pro-choice on this issue (and every other for that matter) see this video:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=oyystXOfDqo

widewetandslippery

24-Oct-2008
9:43:03 AM

On 23/10/2008 D.Lodge wrote:
>Hey Josh make that 2 and i am not an AID climber. Never tried it never
>will too concerned about the overwhelming evidence of pot bringing on mental
>ilnesses such as schizophrenia

Whats wrong with being schizo?

What is right.

oh the light, the light.

it causes shadows

i curl in darkness

that is where i see the light

when i curl i am warm.

Wendy

24-Oct-2008
10:21:39 AM

You can add me to the nonsmoking list, but it's got nothing to do with concern about psychosis - I just value my lungs.

I firmly believe that all drugs should be legalised. The main problems of drug use are socio-economic ones as a result of their criminal status. It's only a random decision on behalf of our society as to what drugs are deemed acceptable - as well as the massive alcohol related health costs, it also is connected to a vast amount of violence and anti social behaviour. Tobacco costs even more in health services and has far higher rates of mortality and is more addictive than most illegal drugs. Aside from the fact that I can't stand the stuff. Methadone is way nastier than heroin but hey, we can't have a controlled heroin service, that would be terrible.

I'm into dealing with root issues not bandaiding symptoms. Drug use of any sort becomes problematic because of underlying problems. Put services and funding into dealing with these. Even allowing that there may be the odd case of recreational use that goes skewhif, despite a legal setting , it's no more likely than other odd accidents. And in case anyone hadn't noticed "Just Say No" doesn't work. People are going to use drugs. May as well accept it and minimise risk and social costs.


Capt_mulch

24-Oct-2008
10:30:36 AM

On 24/10/2008 widewetandslippery wrote:
>GoUp!, thats why we haven't been climbing for a while, because of my pure
>nature and alcohol and drug free and god filled lifestyle. Them druggies
>just drink beer, spirits, smoke pot and wonder around in ever increasing
>concentric circles in a mist/fog/darkness until they find a tent with more
>booze in it.....

Mods, could you investigate this please! Some impostor has taken over WW&S' account!!!

Bob Saki

24-Oct-2008
10:44:29 AM

One leading neuro health expert whom I happen to know said that if you have a mind containing the pre existing conditionss for neurological instability pOt is likely to coax these out and exacerbate them. If however, you do not you will be able to smoke it non stop for years and your only real worry may be cancer..... and that too can depend on genetics I have read....

I suggest before embarking on career in this field know your family tree, and just check your dad doesn't have a fairy costume stashed in his shed or a paper mache face called mother......

All in all though I think it can be safely argued that your health should be a paramount concern. At the end of the day as long as you have that you have a lot..........

I don't care what others do, I get tired of all the drug talk that permeates society period. Drugs aren't cool and not doing drugs does not make you a paragon of virtue. It something thst just exists and that goes with it is inherently human.

Do what you do and lap up every short hour thrown your way!


Sabu

24-Oct-2008
11:00:03 AM

On 23/10/2008 Macciza wrote:
>First I gotta say that if you think pot was the major contributing factor
>in the guy jumping then you're in
>the wrong profession - the guy had problems, and was probably using pot
>as self-treatment.
>Secondly if you think a bad batch of illicit drugs is reason to keep them
>illegal, then you are an idiot.
No, i was making the point that the argument of "i use this illegal drug only occasionally
so its ok" is foolish.

>Heroin as a pure drug is less damaging then alcohol - illegality is what
>makes heroin dangerous .
True but also the fact that use of heroin decreases the sensitivity of the receptors so
each dose is increased and thus gets closer to the overdose point. illegality has nothing
to do with that.

On 24/10/2008 Macciza wrote:
>So, what if the people who used to have psychosis without drugs had taken
>drugs then it would be the
>drugs fault?
No, i think the point here is that cannabis significantly increases the risk for psychosis
among users, especially if there is a previous risk factor present. But you make a good
point that:
>There is no correlation between societys
>use of cannabis and psychosis.

>More research needs to be done on cannabis as a treatment than resources
>wasted criminalising and
>stigmatising people with mental issues who self-medicate their Anandamide
>system with cannabis
I agree about the need for research but i don't think the majority of cannabis users have
any intention of self medicating for mental issues, just look at the pines for an example.

widewetandslippery

24-Oct-2008
11:05:00 AM

Sabu, you are NOT normal

I hear lobotamies take some wieght off the brain (sorrry repoman).


evanbb

24-Oct-2008
11:10:06 AM

On 24/10/2008 Sabu wrote:
>True but also the fact that use of heroin decreases the sensitivity of
>the receptors so each dose is increased and thus gets closer to the overdose point. >illegality has nothing to do with that.

Sabu, this bit is nonsense. If your receptors are desensitized it is harder to overdose. The main reason for overdoses is the hugely varying strength of black market opiates. A good dose one day might be fatal with a different batch. It is one of the huge benefits of injecting rooms, that you can measure the potency of a batch and recommend a safe dose.


Sabu

24-Oct-2008
11:41:49 AM

On 24/10/2008 evanbb wrote:
>On 24/10/2008 Sabu wrote:
>>True but also the fact that use of heroin decreases the sensitivity of
>>the receptors so each dose is increased and thus gets closer to the overdose
>point. >illegality has nothing to do with that.
>
>Sabu, this bit is nonsense. If your receptors are desensitized it is harder
>to overdose. The main reason for overdoses is the hugely varying strength
>of black market opiates. A good dose one day might be fatal with a different
>batch. It is one of the huge benefits of injecting rooms, that you can
>measure the potency of a batch and recommend a safe dose.
If the receptors are less responsive, or less in number, the dose has to be increased to
receive the same "hit", but there is a general threshold at which point the chemicals
induced become toxic.
Another reason for the overdose is the body can ready itself for a hit (classical
conditioning) by using environmental cues and so the tolerance increases but without
the cues the dose is lethal.


tnd

24-Oct-2008
11:42:50 AM

Only trad wankers smoke pot anyway. We sport climbers worship the purity of our muscular bodies and need only the high of ticking our next project at the Glen.


billk

24-Oct-2008
11:56:07 AM

On 24/10/2008 Bob Saki wrote:
> you will be able to smoke it non stop for years and your only real
>worry may be cancer..... and that too can depend on genetics I have read....
>

Smoking related cancer is not hugely affected by genetics.

Unfortunately, one of the self-exempting beliefs that many smokers have is: "I've got good genes mate so I'm at a much lower risk than other smokers and can keep going for a while yet." Neither dope or cigarette smokers should believe that "good genes" are going to help them significantly and they shouldn't presume to have good genes for avoiding cancer.

Only the heaviest of dope smokers are going to come near getting the amount of shit in their lungs that heavy cigarette smokers get. However, dope is a gateway drug for tobacco. That is, dope can get you into serious trouble by turning you into a cigarette smoker.

Wendy

24-Oct-2008
11:57:37 AM

Tolerance to any drug (not just smack) increases with regular intake. Think about times in your life when you didn't drink much and were the world's cheapest drunk. Then if you drink regularly for a while, it takes more alcohol to the same effect. It's because the body rather likes homeostasis. So when you pile something into the body that changes it's balance, it tries to balance out again. So say you take smack or alcohol, which are depressants, you're body pumps out a few stimulants to balance it out. Take more depressants, body produces more stimulants. You need to take more of the depressant to get the original effect and fight the body's efforts to maintain homeostasis. There's no change in risk of overdose, because the point at which you overdose changes with tolerance. The addict needs more to overdose than the one off user because their body is already prepared for it. But say you stop using for a while. Your body stops producing stimulants because it no longer has to fight against the unbalancing drug. Then you wander out and decided to take up where you left off. Bang, overdose. Your body no longer has the tolerance than it used to and the level at which is ceases to cope is lower. Effexctively, everything becomes so relaxed they stop doing what they normally do.

Works the other way round with stimulants (coffee, nicotine, amphetamines etc). Body produces depressants to calm things down to normal. Stop smoking for example, and everything get a good old hit of the depressants, which the body will keep producing for a while in preparation until it realises it doesn't need anymore, leading to cravings for the stimulant again. All totally aside from the psychological/social addiction parts.

GoUp!

24-Oct-2008
11:59:09 AM

WWS must have found God!!! I think we all need to have a weekend bender to help ease him back to normality......

widewetandslippery

24-Oct-2008
12:05:31 PM

Ha ha. Got lost long weekend with Mick then got lost with Adam following weekend. I know how to use those map and compass things but they always end up being left on the esky.

Hows the flying?


Macciza

24-Oct-2008
12:52:59 PM

On 24/10/2008 tnd wrote:
> need only the high of ticking our next project at the Glen.

That 'high' you are chasing probably comes from endogenous opiates and cannabinoids . . .
A bit of pot gets me there quicker and without all that over-rated exertion . . .

GoUp!

24-Oct-2008
1:05:37 PM

Flying is going great! Paragliding is allowing me to get 'high' naturally and a religious man like yourself may even say it allows me to get closer to the Man! Am heading up to Manilla in mid-November to dice death with thunder clouds. Hoping to have a day or two at Kaputar for light entertainment. Perhaps i can twist your arm to get up there - we could even commence your re-education program to ease you off the God thing and back to more hedonistic pleasures!


seppo

24-Oct-2008
1:40:10 PM

Should pot be legal? hell yea. how many violent pot heads do you know out there beating their wives and
ruining their families? and how many drunks are like that? weed makes everything better: music, food,
video games, sex, climbing (for some), tv EVERYTHING. and it makes you sit around the house and
watch cartoons eating doritos, not raising hell till 6 in the morning bashing people in the street and what
not.

if jesus christ had sparked a fat doobie and said "this is my body broken for you" and alcohol had been
'discovered' (loose sense of the word discover there) in the 1930's then you can bet your ass weed would
be legal and alcohol would be shunned just like pot today.

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