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When is a project open?


nmonteith

10-Nov-2004
12:55:50 PM

I don't know about others but i find i try and 'focus' on a project when i am working it. If i don't seem to have (for example) the crimp endurance for the project then i will cimb other routes of similar style but easier to build the strength up. Sometimes this can take months of effort to be in shape for the actual tick of the project. I guess i would be pissed if i put all the specific training into doing the FFA and then someone stole it.

Ronny

10-Nov-2004
7:54:06 PM

>rod seems to be hoggin
>all the common sense

Not entirely convinced...yet.
There are two issues here, firstly why projects should be projects at all, and second assuming they should be, how long do they stay projects for.

Neil, on the first one I think its pretty clear that if the equipper gets something out of climbing a route for the first time like a sense of discovery, enjoyment from working something out for your self, then its hard to argue that if they put the effort in to equip a route they shouldn't be allowed to get this...within reason - see issue 2.
This seems to break down a bit when you've let someone else try the route, show you the moves, but pull on a few draws to leave the 1st accent for you.

> who had the bigger ego problem, the original person who bolted, cleaned the >route...or the person who "had" to jump on for the first send against equipers >wishes???
If we've established that the ego reasoning for the project rules doesn't work in the first place, then snaking a route to stroke your ego is obviously not on. But what about when the person just thought the route looked cool and wanted to climb it - your point doesn't really work there, and we're back to the above.

I think the second issue is much murkier - i'm not going anywhere near it, only to say that if i keep any routes i bolt to the flinders rangers where not too many ppl go anyway i probably won't encounter this problem anyway.
(du)Ron

Neil C

10-Nov-2004
8:40:50 PM

>Neil C im sure you're a great guy but right now rod seems to be hoggin
>all the common sense
So common sense is. If i put bolts in a peice of rock i take on ownership of this route until i'm done. It would just appear immensly selfish to me. People having three year projects is a running joke. Especially when it is an obvious line. Too often I hear about rockclimbing being not a personal persute and not about ego. I think it is just hypocritical. I've said this but if you wish to say it is about your ego that you keep bolting routes then i will understand. I would disagree with the reason but would also acknowledge that it is productive in having more people putting up routes and understand that it is in the climbing community's interest i respect this.

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