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If you bolt it, they will come & sh*t all over it


vwills

13-May-2015
9:40:02 PM

There has been a previous discussion about this (was it Jonathan Clearwater trying to get people interested in poo tubes?). Great idea, but there is no solution yet as to where to lodge the bags. Schemes like these were compulsory in high use areas in the USA like mt whitney and handy poo bags were distributed when you got your permit and bear canister....
A toilet in the car park would help reduce the magnitude of the problem but it would be interesting to know how that might cost

Wendy

14-May-2015
6:22:16 AM

On 13/05/2015 simey wrote:
>On 12/05/2015 Wendy wrote:
>>On 11/05/2015 patto wrote:
>>>Are trad climbers more toilet trained?
>>
>>My observations at Arapiles don't suggest so. Maybe it just is particularly
>>obvious at sport crags with high population vs available space. There's
>>not a lot of places to go away from the cliff at Centenial Glen. Plenty
>>of poo and paper at the Mt, it's just more spread out.
>
>There is more shit spewing out of Wendy then you will find at the Mount.
>Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. I have been out at Araps
>a lot over the last few months at a wide variety of its cliffs and I don't
>recall seeing any shit piles.

This is either your vision or memory impairment SImey. I'll take photos for you if you like. Kate F can confirm the delightfully placed one at the base of Astral Plane for starters. Whole lotta space down hill with dirt to dig in. No, lets go up into this narrow gully, poo at the base of a route and put a rock on it.

Maybe you don't pee enough at the crag to see where it all is. Seriously, go to any popular bit of cliff and walk around behind a few bushes and rocks at the base of the cliff. Squeakeasy area will do. Or base of watchtower. Quite a lot of it appears to be just toilet paper, which makes me think there are a bunch of women who wipe and dump because I don't know that too many men who wipe their willy.

OodlesDownHere

14-May-2015
6:34:00 AM

NPWS reading all this? You know what they will do.


shortman

14-May-2015
7:23:49 AM

On 14/05/2015 Wendy wrote:
> because I don't know that
>too many men who wipe their willy.

You know one, :)

climberman

14-May-2015
8:07:18 AM

On 14/05/2015 OodlesDownHere wrote:
>NPWS reading all this? You know what they will do.

Shipley and The Glen aren't in a National Park. So NPWS prolly will do sweet fanny Adams.

simey

14-May-2015
5:24:26 PM

On 14/05/2015 OodlesDownHere wrote:
>NPWS reading all this? You know what they will do.

Provide willy wipers for the blokes to use?

OozeDumbHopeless

14-May-2015
7:20:39 PM

On 14/05/2015 climberman wrote:
>On 14/05/2015 OodlesDownHere wrote:
>>NPWS reading all this? You know what they will do.
>
>Shipley and The Glen aren't in a National Park. So NPWS prolly will do
>sweet fanny Adams.

Do you think that fuching matters to them? They just want to see climbers as shit heads.

BBSR

15-May-2015
10:40:15 AM

A fair few of parks staff actually climb and even among those that don't there are plenty who have good relationships with climbers. Not sure if you are aware but work by Climbers in Barrenjoey actually just won a Landcare award. Funnily enough, relationships there are really quite good at the moment. So relationships can change, but it is up to us too.

As for the specific issue at Shipley. Those in the know, will know that money was offered by climbers to build a toilet there, and the offer stands (hopefully we can get some progress on that). Likewise climbers last weekend went and actually cleaned up the area (and built tracks etc as well). There are some issues, but I think you can see clear positive engagement from climbers to work through them.

There are some really good relationships around. I think if we all get behind them, we can make some real change. There is certainly room for more participation in these activities (many more people were climbing than helping).


tnd

15-May-2015
12:14:56 PM

Regarding the Shipley/Glen area, a lot of money ($thousands by now) has been raised by the Crag Care group in the last few years with the intention of funding an eco toilet there. The money is held in trust by the Sydney Rockclimbing Club, who have undertaken to match it from their Access Fund. I believe that the dunny manufacturer was willing to supply it at a knock down price. Not sure where the plans are at.

But the money is only one part of it. You can't just go and plonk a shithouse at the end of someone's street. I think that selling the idea to residents will be the hard part.

gfdonc

15-May-2015
12:21:49 PM

On 15/05/2015 tnd wrote:
>But the money is only one part of it. You can't just go and plonk a shithouse
>at the end of someone's street.
Haven't they done that already? Just lacks a bowl and walls.

> I think that selling the idea to residents
>will be the hard part.
.. just take 'em on a tour of the crag?

martym

16-May-2015
10:54:39 PM

On 13/05/2015 vwills wrote:
>There has been a previous discussion about this (was it Jonathan Clearwater
>trying to get people interested in poo tubes?). Great idea, but there is
>no solution yet as to where to lodge the bags. Schemes like these were
>compulsory in high use areas in the USA like mt whitney and handy poo bags
>were distributed when you got your permit and bear canister....
A friend of mine who climbs "real mountains" swears by those gatorade tubs with the big open tops. Easy to fit it all in without any mess and then it screws shut nice and tight, no smell escaping.
As a parent who regularly carts around wrapped up poo parcels - I don't get why people are so thingy about it.

You happily climb grimy chalked up holds after some climber who just took a dump - think they found a tap & soap in the bush?


nmonteith

17-May-2015
10:23:23 AM

You're not going to solve the Shipley/Glen poo problem by making people crap in tubes. I'd treat it as a popular beach or park. You wouldn't expect the tourists at Bondi or Wentworth Falls to crap in tubes.


sbm

17-May-2015
11:58:08 PM

On 17/05/2015 nmonteith wrote:
>You're not going to solve the Shipley/Glen poo problem by making people
>crap in tubes. I'd treat it as a popular beach or park. You wouldn't expect
>the tourists at Bondi or Wentworth Falls to crap in tubes.

You could almost sell people on disposable wag bags I reckon, if you had an easily available dispenser and bin.

OodlesDownHere

19-May-2015
7:59:27 AM

On 17/05/2015 sbm wrote:

>You could almost sell people on disposable wag bags I reckon, if you had
>an easily available dispenser and bin.

Better to sell them nappies. Most 5 year olds can hold on for a day till they get home.

Cranky Quoll

21-May-2015
9:39:06 PM

>Regarding the Shipley/Glen area, a lot of money ($thousands by now) has
>been raised by the Crag Care group in the last few years with the intention
>of funding an eco toilet there. The money is held in trust by the Sydney
>Rockclimbing Club, who have undertaken to match it from their Access Fund.
>I believe that the dunny manufacturer was willing to supply it at a knock
>down price. Not sure where the plans are at.
>

Heard that CragCare had raised enough money for the toilet and that the application was with Council. I wrote to Council in support of the application and got the following response: "There is no doubt this area is in need of a replacement toilet and we will endeavour to have the project approved/completed as soon as possible."

There will still be plenty of crags without toilets, so climbers still need to become better toilet trained.


Snacks

22-May-2015
7:56:27 AM

On 19/05/2015 OodlesDownHere wrote:
>On 17/05/2015 sbm wrote:
>
>>You could almost sell people on disposable wag bags I reckon, if you
>had
>>an easily available dispenser and bin.
>
>Better to sell them nappies. Most 5 year olds can hold on for a day till
>they get home.

Doesn't sound like you know a lot of 5 year olds.

OozeDumbHopeless

22-May-2015
1:16:00 PM

On 22/05/2015 Snacks wrote:
>
>Doesn't sound like you know a lot of 5 year olds.

Let me guess - you are a 5 year old who hasn't been toilet trained?


Snacks

22-May-2015
1:24:57 PM

On 22/05/2015 OozeDumbHopeless wrote:
>On 22/05/2015 Snacks wrote:
>>
>>Doesn't sound like you know a lot of 5 year olds.
>
>Let me guess - you are a 5 year old who hasn't been toilet trained?

Haha if only...

Was an infants school maths tutor for a while.

But not having the same Godlike omniscient observations as yourself I concede you will invariably know better.


Snacks

22-May-2015
2:22:13 PM

Is there an Australian version of this mob?

http://cleantrails.org/

I like their idea of 'Adopt a Trail' where individual trails get a selection of volunteers that regularly clean up a specific area.

Maybe something similar could be done with crags?

Cleancrags.org?

If you've got a few favourite crags then you could put yourself down as a regular for someone that handles those areas etc...

*ducks and covers from fellow chocky armchair assassins*


Macciza

22-May-2015
2:32:04 PM

Maybe you've heard of, or could help out
https://www.facebook.com/cragcare?fref=ts

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