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Oldest ozzie woman Jan Smith at 68 summits Everest
One Day Hero
28/05/2012
3:01:54 PM
So, I thought I might dip my toe into the world of 7summiteers......I mean, there are some pretty stupid people on this site, how much worse could it be, I wondered?

Wow! There is a whole other level of dumb, which I've been thankfully sheltered from up till this point. Check out this classic post from 7summits.com (I didn't make this up!)

Some total fuching arse monkey said;

>The graphical map of the various Everest routes is certainly an eye-opener. I didnt >know there are so many routes. Before this, I only know the SW route and the North route.
>
>Just wondering if the American Buttress and Neverest Buttress routes are easier than >the other routes, since one dont have to go through the Khumbu Icefall.
>
>Anyone have tried those 2 routes?
>
>jk


Would anyone be interested in having a chockstone holiday to go and rip shit on these idiots? I was thinking of advertising a fake company which guides trips up the uncrowded routes.........Kangshung Face? We could employ cheaper lackeys from Bangladesh to save on the exorbitant wages those greedy Sherpas are demanding.

shortman
Online Now
28/05/2012
3:32:03 PM
I just lost half an hour on that site. It was like reading the Herald-Sun, you just feel so much smarter and more informed than before you read it.

cruze
28/05/2012
3:55:27 PM
On 28/05/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>So, I thought I might dip my toe into the world of 7summiteers......I mean,
>there are some pretty stupid people on this site, how much worse could
>it be, I wondered?
>
Hey mate, when's your birthday? I have your present sorted:
http://7summits.com/forum/index.php/topic,1541.0.html
Duncan
28/05/2012
4:18:44 PM
On 28/05/2012 cruze wrote:
>Hey mate, when's your birthday? I have your present sorted:
>http://7summits.com/forum/index.php/topic,1541.0.html

Mail him $10, eh? Seems legit.

Eduardo Slabofvic
28/05/2012
4:22:05 PM
What do you think ODH will put on his outer ring?


some kind of ointment perhaps
patto
28/05/2012
4:36:53 PM
Ho hum. I'm sick of lame records.
dalai
Online Now
28/05/2012
4:54:20 PM
OHD - your grumpiness exceeds your age. Hate to think what you will be like at 68 given how you fire up now. You are headed for a heart attack well before then if you keep this up!

In regards to the Sherpas - it is a thankless and very dangerous job, but many put their hands up because it pays far better than any other work. So because you are against people paying for the privilege to get in the conga line for the summit you want to deprive the sherpas an income? Have you asked them as to which option they prefer?* Or are you just projecting your views from behind the keyboard?

*I personally don't agree with paying to get my gear carried for me or guided up any mountain, but won't judge harshly those that choose to go this way.
One Day Hero
28/05/2012
9:18:12 PM
On 28/05/2012 Eduardo Slabofvic. wrote:
>
>Yeah, that's what I thought of Simey's movie as well.

Ummm, that was the joke. But thank you for repeating it in a more obvious way, making it accessible to the slow witted.

stugang
28/05/2012
9:40:22 PM
On 28/05/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>On 28/05/2012 Eduardo Slabofvic. wrote:
>>
>>Yeah, that's what I thought of Simey's movie as well.
>
>Ummm, that was the joke. But thank you for repeating it in a more obvious
>way, making it accessible to the slow witted.

Go easy on him Hero, cos he's originally from 'one of the most 'left behind' cultures on earth', only to have upped sticks to move to THE most 'left behind' culture on earth.

Pity him.
One Day Hero
28/05/2012
10:05:03 PM
On 28/05/2012 dalai wrote:
>
>In regards to the Sherpas - it is a thankless and very dangerous job,
>but many put their hands up because it pays far better than any other work.
>So because you are against people paying for the privilege to get in the
>conga line for the summit you want to deprive the sherpas an income? Have
>you asked them as to which option they prefer

Here is a remarkable statement from the "Alpine Ascents" website;

>We have many Sherpa on our team who have summitted Everest over a dozen times >but lack the vital leadership/decision making skill to guide safely. Their primary role is >to carry loads high on the mountain and to provide man power where directed.
>
>Sincerely,
>Todd Burleson
>President

Everest is a unique commodity, which idiots will continue to throw money at no matter what. The governments of Nepal and China will continue to take the largest share of the profit, as they ultimately control the hill. It'd be good if the Sherpas could cut out the westerners, run every aspect of those guided expeditions, and keep more of the cash in the country.

If you want to get guided in n.z., you deal with a n.z. company, if you want to get towed up stuff in the Alps, you deal with Frenchy or Swiss or Italian companies. Should be the same deal in Nepal.
dalai
Online Now
28/05/2012
10:41:37 PM
On 28/05/2012 One Day Hero wrote:

>Should be the same deal in Nepal.

Agreed.
Damo666
29/05/2012
12:51:42 AM
On 28/05/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>
>If you want to get guided in n.z., you deal with a n.z. company, if you
>want to get towed up stuff in the Alps, you deal with Frenchy or Swiss
>or Italian companies.

No, you don't. Plenty of Brits and Americans climb in the Alps using UK or US companies, operating legally so long as the guide is IFMGA. Would be different if they set up a business there.

Look up the 'Khumbu Climbing School'. Started by the Alex Lowe Charitable Foundation, westerners have founded and run an annual clinic to improve the technical climbing skills of Sherpas. Sherpas have now led local WI5 routes. Times are changing and Todd's statement above, while still broadly accurate, is increasingly out of date. Westerners trust the Sherpa to fix the ladders in the icefall, the most technical part of the route, so the process is underway.

There are Sherpas who could, and do, 'guide' Everest, but many lack all the other skills and resources to procure and manage the clients who will pay. This too will change. As it stands, there are Nepali companies offering BC-only services, with Sherpa support, and they are much cheaper than western companies - maybe $25K compared to $60K. They attract a wide range of clientele.

This year, ALL of the westerners who died on Everest were with those budget Nepali operators. There were no deaths amongst the clients of the western guiding companies (Peak Freaks lost a Sherpa early on). Proposing more Nepali-owned guiding companies is not the answer to the problems on Everest.

Other ways are needed to stop stupid people doing stupid things. Or just climb somewhere else ...


I posted about clients here: http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/bad-news-from-everest-t62155.html

Eduardo Slabofvic
29/05/2012
9:32:55 AM
On 28/05/2012 elaphantitis wrote:
>'left behind
>'left behind'
>

You leave my behind out of this.

Everythings bottoms with you Americans
Duncan
29/05/2012
10:27:20 AM
On 29/05/2012 Damo666 wrote:
>I posted about clients here: http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/bad-news-from-everest-t6215.html

Interesting, thanks for sharing that.
Will_P
29/05/2012
10:37:24 AM
On 28/05/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
"Would anyone be interested in having a chockstone holiday to go and rip shit on these idiots? I was thinking of advertising a fake company which guides trips up the uncrowded routes.........Kangshung Face? We could employ cheaper lackeys from Bangladesh to save on the exorbitant wages those greedy Sherpas are demanding."

Start the thread and I'll play.
widewetandslippery
29/05/2012
11:00:12 AM
Bangladesh? Tuggers ODH. They think Civic is exotic. Get rich Tuggers to get escorted up our highest peak by Tuggers mallers
One Day Hero
29/05/2012
12:40:33 PM
On 29/05/2012 Damo666 wrote:
>Plenty of Brits and Americans climb in the Alps using UK
>or US companies, operating legally so long as the guide is IFMGA. Would
>be different if they set up a business there.

I bet most of the clients go up with local companies. Apparently Denali is locked out, they have 5 local guiding companies who have concessions, no one else can play. Sounds like one of the players is that Todd Burlinson rascist dude.
>
>Sherpas have now led local WI5
>routes. Times are changing and Todd's statement above, while still broadly
>accurate, is increasingly out of date. Westerners trust the Sherpa to fix
>the ladders in the icefall, the most technical part of the route, so the
>process is underway.

I don't see how extra technical climbing skills even come into it, the Sherpas already do all of the climbing related work on Everest.
>
>This year, ALL of the westerners who died on Everest were with those budget
>Nepali operators. There were no deaths amongst the clients of the western
>guiding companies (Peak Freaks lost a Sherpa early on). Proposing more
>Nepali-owned guiding companies is not the answer to the problems on Everest.
>
I wasn't just arguing having more Nepali crews, the other half of the solution is to exclude western companies. The Alaskan plan seems like a good way to go, hand out a dozen permits to the good local climbers (make sure they cooperate to keep prices up). The only use for westerners would be booking clients and maybe a few liason folk on the mountain. As long as the market is kept tight in Nepal but they deal with lots of booking agents in the west, the Sherpa companies ought to be able to dictate terms.
>
>Other ways are needed to stop stupid people doing stupid things. Or just
>climb somewhere else ...
>
Arguing that numbers must be kept up to maintain the local economy, but then keeping the social order such that most of the money goes to westerners is contradictory. If the locals took over running things, there'd probably be a few years of higher deaths while things got smoothed out, but that's an acceptable cost.
hero
29/05/2012
2:10:01 PM
Sh1t. A few people die and suddenly the Big E's famous again. Been some funny stories, one about carrying an olympic gold medal to the summit, some tosspot blogger talking about how neverest was the most dangerous mountain on earth. Channel 7 said Jan Smith (That has to be a fake name - was she climbing with Jan Doe) was the 2nd oldest person to climb everest. That must make Bonington and Diemburger angry. And even this thread. I doubt Ms Smith is Australia's Oldest Woman?

MisterGribble
29/05/2012
2:21:24 PM
Guys,

All this poor woman did was climb the big hill and Chockstoners are giving a her reception that would befit Craig Thompson walking back into the HSU.

Who make the rules you climb to anyway ?

Eduardo Slabofvic
29/05/2012
4:15:44 PM
I wanna see someone do with a plastic bag over their head - they alway wack on about doing Everest without oxygen, well, lets see someone do it without any oxygen what so ever.

Or use nitrous oxide or amyl nitrate cylinders or something with a bit more comic value instead of oxygen

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