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Dogs in Grampians


Paulie

7-Mar-2012
8:04:55 PM

On 6/03/2012 wombly wrote:
>One the chalk front, I don't buy the acid sweat hypothesis for a minute.
>A solution of MgCO3 and water, which makes up most of the white powder
>we consume, is strongly basic - pH of 9-10. This alone is probably enough
>to kill off the lichens and moss.

Actually, sorry mate but this is completely wrong...studies have shown that alkaline environments actually increase the growth of Lichens and Bryophytes...while it's proven that acid solutions, even in highly diluted rates will kill this flora...I'd like to hear why you think acid from sweat wouldn't cause the same die back in even a short period of time, particularly in high traffic areas? To qualify this, acid in our sweat usually ranges from as high as 4 on the pH scale (up there with vinegar and acid rain) to 7 (neutral like milk) and as such can be strong enough to cause severe damage to artefacts such as paintings and paper; for this reason, I fail to see why it wouldn't also kill this flora.


The good Dr

7-Mar-2012
10:07:19 PM

Basic solutions will have an effect on lichens as in most environments the fungal element break down the substrate with acidic compounds to provide essential elements. Neutralizing this will lead to an inability of the fungal element to supply these nutrients to the photobiotic symbiont. Thus leading to die off. Changing the pH of the environment affects the lichen as well as each species will have a range of pH tolerance.

MgCO3 (chalk) is insoluble in water, though reacts In acidic environments and thus may have an effect on lichen. This is not as extreme as the effect of dissolved zinc which is quite toxic to lichen. Peroxide Blonde is a perfect example of this phenomenon.

strerror

7-Mar-2012
10:42:10 PM

It's totally useless mate. Part of my job for a while was helping the NSW police with this stuff. There might be subtle differences in the law in Victoria, but I'm highly dubious that they'd be significantly different.


Eduardo Slabofvic

7-Mar-2012
10:43:27 PM

On 7/03/2012 Rocafella wrote:
>
>Godwin's law

Godwin obviously watches SBS, or as it is know in our house, the Hitler channel.

I am trying to establish the algorithm that established the relationship that exists for mentioning of Hitler to the mentioning of Lady Di. Using the occurrence of 1 as being a positive (meaning that a day where there are 2, 3, 4, or more is still counted as 1) I find that the relationship is 4 to 1 (4 Hitlers to 1 Lady Di).

What does this mean? Why is this significant? I hear you ask.

I say, "I'm not here to answer all you questions, its just something you just have to figure out for yourselves. Go ask StubommerHogang if you're too dim witted to do that. Gee wizz ....., the nerve of some people. Here I am, trying to have a nice night at home, and you bother me with questions, and I just get interrupted, constantly. Now go away. Yes that means you! Yes, they guy in the silly purple bucket hat. Don't make me come over there."


Capt_mulch

8-Mar-2012
11:36:36 AM

I know I'm way late on this discussion of lichens, errr, dogs, but it reminds me of an incident many years ago where a group of us went to a national park near Mount Warning. Idiot ex-bro-in-law took his dog in his car, so we made him lock it up in the car while we went mushroom, err, walking. We finally all floated back to the cars and noticed that the one with the dog in it had it's indicator flashing. Strange, we thought. On inspecting the said car we found the dog had eaten the indicator selector, the driver's seat, and chewed holes through the seatbelt. Sweet justice!

One Day Hero

8-Mar-2012
11:52:16 AM

On 6/03/2012 STEALTH wrote:
>
>As far as letting go of my "authority", that was something I gladly relinquished.
>
>This is known as "Failing the Attitude Test".
>
>Judging from the comments and insults on this forum, the majority of Chockstoners
>have failed the attitude test, and this will have a far greater impact
>on whether we are ever denied access than "dibber dobbing".
>
At what fuching point have you decided that its your job to set and mark the "attitude test"?

How do you think you fare against everyone else's "attitude test"? How old were you when you decided that your way was the right way, and everyone younger than you must respect your authority? It seems to happen to most old coots somewhere in their mid 40's.........I mean, really, you weren't this grumpy and self important in your 20's,were you?

mothrfckr

8-Mar-2012
11:58:04 AM

On 8/03/2012 One Day Hero acted grumpy and self important when responding to STEALTH

Nothing unusual, nothing to see here.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

8-Mar-2012
1:01:38 PM

On 8/03/2012 mothrfckr wrote:
>On 8/03/2012 One Day Hero acted grumpy and self important when responding
>to STEALTH

The thread generally seems to be a new Chockstone-Game...
~> Possible points scored by distinguishing the man from the ball?
(ODH is scoring pretty well at the moment compared to his usual self!)
;-)
Heh, heh, heh.

simey

8-Mar-2012
1:37:02 PM

On 8/03/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>How old were you when you decided that your way was the right way,
>and everyone younger than you must respect your authority?
>It seems to happen to most old coots somewhere in their mid 40's...

I would like to distance myself from this stereotype.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

8-Mar-2012
1:39:51 PM

On 8/03/2012 simey wrote:
>On 8/03/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>>How old were you when you decided that your way was the right way,
>>and everyone younger than you must respect your authority?
>>It seems to happen to most old coots somewhere in their mid 40's...
>
>I would like to distance myself from this stereotype.
>

Age shall not weary them-

Heh, heh, heh!

Wendy

8-Mar-2012
5:47:15 PM


Doug

8-Mar-2012
6:41:23 PM

On 8/03/2012 Capt_mulch wrote:
>I know I'm way late on this discussion of lichens, errr, dogs, but it reminds
>me of an incident many years ago where a group of us went to a national
>park near Mount Warning. Idiot ex-bro-in-law took his dog in his car, so
>we made him lock it up in the car while we went mushroom, err, walking.
>We finally all floated back to the cars and noticed that the one with the
>dog in it had it's indicator flashing. Strange, we thought. On inspecting
>the said car we found the dog had eaten the indicator selector, the driver's
>seat, and chewed holes through the seatbelt. Sweet justice!

Priceless! No need for photos here, eh!
And I wonder what damage the dog would have done had it been let loose on the local fauna?

widewetandslippery

8-Mar-2012
7:08:55 PM

On 8/03/2012 Doug wrote:
>On 8/03/2012 Capt_mulch wrote:
>>I know I'm way late on this discussion of lichens, errr, dogs, but it
>reminds
>>me of an incident many years ago where a group of us went to a national
>>park near Mount Warning. Idiot ex-bro-in-law took his dog in his car,
>so
>>we made him lock it up in the car while we went mushroom, err, walking.
>>We finally all floated back to the cars and noticed that the one with
>the
>>dog in it had it's indicator flashing. Strange, we thought. On inspecting
>>the said car we found the dog had eaten the indicator selector, the driver's
>>seat, and chewed holes through the seatbelt. Sweet justice!
>
>Priceless! No need for photos here, eh!
>And I wonder what damage the dog would have done had it been let loose

Mulch being a bit silly and fido, oooooh.

Anyone have a link to a picture of golden tops? I think they in front of me
>on the local fauna?


Paulie

9-Mar-2012
7:28:54 PM

On 7/03/2012 The good Dr wrote:
>Basic solutions will have an effect on lichens as in most environments
>the fungal element break down the substrate with acidic compounds to provide
>essential elements. Neutralizing this will lead to an inability of the
>fungal element to supply these nutrients to the photobiotic symbiont. Thus
>leading to die off. Changing the pH of the environment affects the lichen
>as well as each species will have a range of pH tolerance.
>
>MgCO3 (chalk) is insoluble in water, though reacts In acidic environments
>and thus may have an effect on lichen. This is not as extreme as the effect
>of dissolved zinc which is quite toxic to lichen. Peroxide Blonde is a
>perfect example of this phenomenon.

Thanks for that, would definately be interesting to see more research into this as the stuff I have read to date refer both to lichens obtaining nutrients via acidic breakdown of the substrate as you indicate, while at the same time exhibiting more growth in a basic environment - I wonder why this would be the case as the 2 certainly appear to conflict?


IdratherbeclimbingM9

9-Mar-2012
8:26:55 PM

On 9/03/2012 Paulie wrote:
>Thanks for that, would definately be interesting to see more research
>into this as the stuff I have read to date refer both to lichens obtaining
>nutrients via acidic breakdown of the substrate as you indicate, while
>at the same time exhibiting more growth in a basic environment - I wonder
>why this would be the case as the 2 certainly appear to conflict?

The constant juggling act by the lichen in the two extremes might account for why they are so slow growing?

hero

9-Mar-2012
11:15:42 PM

On 8/03/2012 Capt_mulch wrote:
>I know I'm way late on this discussion of lichens, errr, dogs, but it reminds
>me of an incident many years ago where a group of us went to a national
>park near Mount Warning. Idiot ex-bro-in-law took his dog in his car, so
>we made him lock it up in the car while we went mushroom, err, walking.
>We finally all floated back to the cars and noticed that the one with the
>dog in it had it's indicator flashing. Strange, we thought. On inspecting
>the said car we found the dog had eaten the indicator selector, the driver's
>seat, and chewed holes through the seatbelt. Sweet justice!

That's nothing. You should see what my dog Max did to Dr Phil's car when he accidentally locked him the car and went to America. I didn't find him for three days and there was nothing soft left in the interior. The car was a write off.

maxdacat

12-Mar-2012
9:58:40 AM

On 5/03/2012 STEALTH wrote:
>Photos have been forwarded to PV in the Grampians.
>My question is:
>Should I be allowed to post them here for all to see?
>These people were quite well heeled, judging by the new Volvo wagon and
>SS Commodore ute they drive.

Hipsters and bogans joining forces......we are pretty much f@cked.


ajfclark

12-Mar-2012
10:32:30 AM

They were bogans before it was cool?


Capt_mulch

16-Mar-2012
11:41:41 AM

>Mulch being a bit silly and fido, oooooh.
>
>Anyone have a link to a picture of golden tops? I think they in front
>of me

Light brown to golden cap, brown gills underneath, stem goes gray-blue when crushed -usually growing out of cow pat after rain - decidedly whoofy affect when eaten (mmmmmm, raw)

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