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Dogs in Grampians

ithomas

6-Mar-2012
1:42:59 PM

I'll have you know that I am a reformed bully and it's Dr Bully to you son.


Paulie

6-Mar-2012
7:35:57 PM

Good on you for taking photos and reporting them.

I do the same thing when the opportunity presents itself, I actually take video of the person in the park and then film them putting their dog and themselves in their car, including recording their number plates, has worked several times to put the wind up people and move them out of park areas (illegal wood gathering etc) and will make them think twice about doing so in the future..

Because (I am assuming) that those who took the photos do not have any powers under (e.g.,) the National Parks Act, I would imagine that the evidence would not be admissible in court, however it certainly is a powerful deterrent in any case.

From a proactive management point of view, in problem areas interpretive signage must be erected to explain why dogs can't be taken into parks as very few people actually understand the science / reasoning behind it...with a healthy reminder of the size of the fine that sits behind the act (maximum 20 Penalty units = $110- per unit = $2,200)

For those who don't know why you shouldn't take dogs into parks, read this: http://weplan.parks.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/Fact%20Sheet_Domestic%20Dogs_0.pdf


Paulie

6-Mar-2012
7:55:04 PM

On 6/03/2012 nmonteith wrote:
>On 6/03/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>Chalk does bleach the rock killing lichen though. You only have to look
>at somewhere like Piddo to see the great white streaks down all the face
>routes.

I haven't read anything that supports this theory.

The loss of lichens and bryophytes in such precise locations (below hand holds) is more likely due to a build up of acids (from sweat), which is then transported down the wall directly below the hold with moisture, thus killing the vegetation.

Shannon Lush (ABC radio) has some brilliant advice on removing lichens and bryophytes with vinegar / water solution, IMO what is probably occuring in this situation is simply a 'natural' acid / water solution.

Shannon's book(s) are outstandin by the way! http://shannonlush.com/


Duang Daunk

6-Mar-2012
9:29:13 PM

On 6/03/2012 shortman wrote:
>On 6/03/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>>On 6/03/2012 Wendy wrote:
>>>On 5/03/2012 One Day Hero. wrote:
>>
>>.........
>>
>>> That might be because, much to my horror,
>>>i agree with you again.
>>
>>Note the dot after my name there Wendy. The Stugangborg have yet another
>>identity
>
>Na, it was Muki.

Dibber dobber!

On 6/03/2012 Wendy wrote:
>Awesome, then Stuart is going to buy Grampians for me. I need them as puppies Stuart, because they have to be trained to accept the dominance of my cat. Then we can all 4 go walkies in National Parks. Along with the goldfish, who definitately has a right to be taken out as well.

Wendy, I will only buy you puppies if I get to see you kick them off a belay ledge like Damo suggests.
I also heard that Damo eats goldfish alive as a party trick.
I am getting the video camera out and ready to roll as I type.


SwineOfTheTimes

6-Mar-2012
9:56:34 PM

I very rarely take my dog into a national park unless I also have a high powered rifle. The enjoyment he gets from eating the still warm offal from anything that I drop, coupled with his acute senses alerting me of my surroundings, makes for a truely enjoyable day out.

My dog also enjoys a good day out bouldering.


wombly

6-Mar-2012
10:04:22 PM

One the chalk front, I don't buy the acid sweat hypothesis for a minute. A solution of MgCO3 and water, which makes up most of the white powder we consume, is strongly basic - pH of 9-10. This alone is probably enough to kill off the lichens and moss.

widewetandslippery

6-Mar-2012
10:48:10 PM

Make sure you have prescrption antacids for the goldfish trick. All that wiggeling in the tummy sets it off. Not unlike biting the head off a budgie.

White Trash

7-Mar-2012
9:51:47 AM

dont you find the feathers catch in your throat on the way down?


alrob

7-Mar-2012
10:17:00 AM

Chalk is pretty much water insoluble and essentially inert chemically. White steaks are probably just the silly small amounts of chalk that does actually dissolve in water re-precipitating when the water dries. If this occurs on top of organic matter such as lichen, most likely it will kill it due to a restriction of sunlight. Blah blah blah.... If you're really that sooky over chalk on rock make up some dilute hydrochloric acid in a spray bottle and go to town on it.


ajfclark

7-Mar-2012
10:21:36 AM

Any weak acid (like vinegar) would work too, wouldn't it?

jimfalla

7-Mar-2012
10:58:03 AM

On 6/03/2012 SwineOfTheTimes wrote:
>> coupled with his acute senses alerting me of my surroundings

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

What was that.

What was that

Beg pardon. Oh... woof.


alrob

7-Mar-2012
11:32:59 AM

On 7/03/2012 ajfclark wrote:
>Any weak acid (like vinegar) would work too, wouldn't it?

Yep certainly :)

Rocafella

7-Mar-2012
12:58:42 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.

**SNIP **

There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.[8] This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized corollary that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful.[9]

Doug - you lose


rodw

7-Mar-2012
1:02:14 PM

That sounds like a law hitler would make up...boomtish hehehehe


harold

7-Mar-2012
2:15:07 PM

To those obsessed with the official 'rules' of National Parks, isn't placing bolts and making new tracks without official approval also against the rules. I prefer a little common sense, as in climbing at new crags with bolted climbs is fun, dogs at the crag are always annoying, inconsiderate and inapropriate (but quite possibly not the end of the world as we know it). I don't need any rules to figure that out.
Post the photos anyway, obviously they were tools and deserve a little public embarassment.

strerror

7-Mar-2012
3:29:04 PM

for clarities sake, photo's and the like are completely useless because unless they have been done to certain stringent requirements there is nothing to stop the person they depict claiming that they were manipulated in some way. The legal requirements for actually proving that they are not are very difficult. That's assuming that they were actually taken BY the ranger in question, from a random member of the public it's completely useless except in any psychological impact that it might have on the person being photographed.


Pat

7-Mar-2012
3:56:52 PM

I doubt they are totally useless in an evidential sense - take the number of times police use grainy cctv images from servos or the cameras on trains as part of their evidence.

widewetandslippery

7-Mar-2012
4:45:34 PM

I thought private cctv had to have obvious signage?

Did you know a an intersection without lights the pedestrian has right of way? Yay for stupid laws!


Climbau

7-Mar-2012
6:29:17 PM

On 7/03/2012 harold wrote:
>To those obsessed with the official 'rules' of National Parks, isn't placing
>bolts .......
I agree Harold, except that I don't have achoice when someones pooch tries to/eats my lunch or attacks me because the owner doesn't restrain it (NPs or elsewhere). I am not a fan of unrestrained domestic animals anywhere.


Climbau

7-Mar-2012
6:31:38 PM

And that includes children, hippies and bearded trad climbers too. All these animals need to be kept on a short leash! ;)

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