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Dogs in Grampians

kieranl

5-Mar-2012
12:33:04 PM

A group of climbers took their dog up to Mt Difficult yesterday.
On being confronted about it they variously denied it, became unable to understand English, tried to hide the dog under a coat. It was quite a pathetic performance from a group who obviously thought that rules apply to other people, not themselves.
Photos were taken of the dog at the cliff and cars in the car-park to be sent to Parks office.
It shouldn't need repeating, but dogs and cats are not permitted in National and State Parks. If you have a pet make arrangements for it when you go climbing - don't take it to the cliff.


kuu

5-Mar-2012
1:35:03 PM

I would argue that Park Rangers should be empowered to send the offending animal out, belly up, in a 'Doggie Bag', EXCEPT it is the stupid owner who has offended, not the poor animal.

Pommy

5-Mar-2012
1:36:07 PM

* These rules do not apply to Blue Mountains locals


Eduardo Slabofvic

5-Mar-2012
1:48:53 PM

What had the dog done on grit?

kieranl

5-Mar-2012
1:52:12 PM

On 5/03/2012 Eduardo Slabofvic. wrote:
>What had the dog done on grit?
Probably number one.

ZERO

5-Mar-2012
1:55:38 PM

Photos have been forwarded to PV in the Grampians.
My question is:
Should I be allowed to post them here for all to see?
These people were quite well heeled, judging by the new Volvo wagon and SS Commodore ute they drive.


shortman

5-Mar-2012
2:03:48 PM

No u shouldn't post them here. U should always refrain from being a wanker.


nmonteith

5-Mar-2012
2:05:08 PM

On 5/03/2012 STEALTH wrote:
>Photos have been forwarded to PV in the Grampians.
>My question is:
>Should I be allowed to post them here for all to see?

Go for it. As a climbing community we say to Parks Vic that we self regulate our activities - so that's exactly what you would be doing by outing these climbers to the wider community. Name and shame.


kuu

5-Mar-2012
2:06:01 PM

On 5/03/2012 Pommy wrote:
>* These rules do not apply to Blue Mountains locals
>
Oh, do their feral dogs have feral owners then?


kuu

5-Mar-2012
2:10:50 PM

On 5/03/2012 STEALTH wrote:
>Photos have been forwarded to PV in the Grampians.
>My question is:
>Should I be allowed to post them here for all to see?
>
[Edit] As they've already been sent to PV, and I commend that action, you should post them here as well.

That might add an extra incentive for PV to follow-up on the matter!

dalai

5-Mar-2012
2:23:14 PM

>On 5/03/2012 STEALTH wrote:
>>Photos have been forwarded to PV in the Grampians.
>>My question is:
>>Should I be allowed to post them here for all to see?
>>
>As you've already sent then to PV, and I commend that action, you should
>post them here as well.
>
>That might add an extra incentive for PV to follow-up on the matter!

Kieran sent the photos. From comments STEALTH has made in the past, he has a connection with PV...

kieranl

5-Mar-2012
2:31:26 PM

No, STEALTH sent the photos - he had the camera. He doesn't work for Parks Vic.

dalai

5-Mar-2012
2:49:08 PM

Understood. The way you wrote the first post, it appeared you confronted the dog owners and sent the photos...

One Day Hero

5-Mar-2012
2:57:27 PM

Although I'm pretty unimpressed by folk bringing their little poochycoo into national parks, I gotta say the dibber dobbers don't exactly garner a whole lot of sympathy either.

Is it really a good idea to send photos of climbers taking dogs into a national park to the parks people? Or are you cutting off your nose to spite your face?

By all means, call bullshit on the idiots, tell them what selfish c--ts they are, boot the dog off the belay ledge.......whatever. But taking photos and sending rego numbers to the authorities? I thought most people had that beaten out of them during primary school.


rodw

5-Mar-2012
3:06:52 PM

My issue with dobbing on em is when parks do a review in a few years time to change the POM, they will look at stats that say how many climbers caught with dogs in such and such area, and it wont mention that the reason they were caught was because of climber self regulating, but more be simplified that there is a documented issue with dogs in the park and climbers are the cause...so you ban climbing you will get rid of the dog problem.....

....mean while the other 99% of dogs in parks don't rate a mention in the stats because no other user group is dobbing them in.

Govt dept love stats and your just handing it to em..let em do there own work I say......and we can quietly regulate without getting em involved...more than likely if everyone had a go when they saw a dog in a park, those responsible wouldn't bother because they do not want the grief.

citationx

5-Mar-2012
3:07:09 PM

Sod off ODH.
What of the following scenario: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106503/War-veteran-86-forced-crawl-gas-station-carjackers-broke-leg--NO-ONE-stopped-help.html

What you going to do? Call the carjacker a tosser and then wander off cause you've done your bit?

(Go on, start rambling about how the two scenarios are different in so many fundamental ways)

kieranl

5-Mar-2012
3:09:56 PM

On 5/03/2012 One Day Hero wrote:
>Although I'm pretty unimpressed by folk bringing their little poochycoo
>into national parks, I gotta say the dibber dobbers don't exactly garner
>a whole lot of sympathy either.
>
>Is it really a good idea to send photos of climbers taking dogs into a
>national park to the parks people? Or are you cutting off your nose to
>spite your face?
>
>By all means, call bullshit on the idiots, tell them what selfish c--ts
>they are, boot the dog off the belay ledge.......whatever. But taking photos
>and sending rego numbers to the authorities? I thought most people had
>that beaten out of them during primary school.
Typical crap from ODH. I for one am not prepared to get into an aggressive confrontation with a group of strangers. With the other party not willing to engage in discussion about the issue we withdrew. You have the luxury in this forum of shooting your mouth off. Out there, with 2 slightly built men addressing a group of 4, some of them considerably larger than us, we didn't have that luxury.
Had they engaged with us and been prepared to discuss the issue it would have been a different story.

chalkischeap

5-Mar-2012
3:31:36 PM

ODH is the only one making sense to me (though it pains me to admit it).

Yes, the climbers were wrong to have the dog in the park and by all means point this out to them and make your point. Dobbing them in to PV is a really bad idea.

ZERO

5-Mar-2012
3:38:40 PM

rodw lives in NSW, ODH lives in the ACT.
This happened in Victoria.
And Dalai, I am a former PV ranger, so YES, I do have a connection to PV.
If you 3 want to be the Three Stooges and continue to turn a blind eye to everything around you and continue to be COMPLETELY NEGATIVE, go ahead.

These people failed the attitude test as Kieran stated, lied to us and pretended they could not speak English.
Maybe they are your friends, as you appear to consider yourselves more important than every other climber.

Plenty of other dog owners manage to make suitable arrangements when going into national parks.

I can now add Chalkischeap to the group of Stooges.


Eduardo Slabofvic

5-Mar-2012
3:40:51 PM

On 5/03/2012 kieranl wrote:
>
>> Out there, with 2 slightly built
>men addressing a group of 4, some of them considerably larger than us,
>we didn't have that luxury.
>

Just take STEALTH off his leash and let him go, remembering to release the flaps on his gimp suit first.

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